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Burbank Police Commissioners get fired up!

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Photo: FLLewis/A Writer’s Groove — Burbank Police and Fire Headquarters at Third Street & Orange Grove Avenue.

Burbank Police Commission meetings at police headquarters are getting more and more interesting. Last night’s meeting brimmed with drama including verbal fireworks and one commissioner abruptly walking out in a huff. The way I see it, these are the growing pains of commissioners who are struggling to break out of an old sedentary model and leave a “do nothing” reputation behind, or as new Commissioner Ray Adams put it,”… beef up our strength…be more valuable to the community.” To this I say, right on!

This kind of change isn’t going to come without heated debate and ah, plenty of drama. The first one to get pumped up last night was James Etter, who quickly lost patience with his fellow commissioners and the meeting procedures. Etter pleaded for a period of discussion before an item could be voted on for a future agenda. The Boy Scout leader/entertainment industry pro, was upset that it appeared commissioners were voting down certain agenda items he suggested without a clear understanding of the issues involved.   

Assistant City Attorney/Police Department Counsel Juli Scott kept interrupting to remind the commissioners they could not discuss new issues unless they had been “agendized.” This Catch 22 frustrated Etter to the point he scooped up his laptop computer and other belongings and headed for the door, threatening to make his exit permanent. Etter charged the commission was stuck in the past and “… going nowhere.”

Scott, who tries to control the commission meetings with long rambling and often confusing legal explanations or opinions, probably thought things would settle down after the renegade Etter left. No way. Gutsy Commissioner Elise Stearns-Nisesen stepped up next to ask a series of probing questions about a new controversy over single officer patrol units, as well as those lawsuits and investigations swirling around the city.

Oddly, sometimes when Police Chief Tim Stehr would attempt to answer a question posed to him by Commissioner Stearns-Niesen or one of the other commissioners, Scott would explode with some long-winded response. A couple of times, I saw the chief’s mouth open to speak, but the words we heard were from Scott. It was a strange sort of ventriloquist act that was annoying rather than amusing. Why is Scott talking so much at these commission meetings? It’s like Scott views the commissioners as jurors in a trial she is trying to win.

No matter, these commissioners appear to be determined to move away from business as usual. Commissioner Ray Adams commented that he “…could relate to the frustration of Mr. Etter.” Adams said the commission needs to become more involved and relevant so it can “…help the police department … help the community.” The other commissioners, Stearns-Niesen, Robert Frutos, Nathan Rubinfeld, Claudia Bonis, and Hagop Hergelian agreed.

Those commissioners voted unanmously to meet on Wednesday, October 28, 2009, for the specific purpose of drafting a letter to the city council requesting new powers and responsibilities. This is a welcome surprise and I applaud their efforts.

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54 Responses to Burbank Police Commissioners get fired up!

  1. Incognito Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 9:08 pm #

    Oh my stars!!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU to Mr. Etter, Mrs. Stearns-Nisesen and Mr. Adams for finally stepping it up and not letting Julie run the show.

    How sad that Mr. Etter had to walk out during the meeting, because of his frustration with this individual who keeps causing havoc & Chaos within the department. Quote me “she is more hurtful than helpful”

    May you all continue to apply the pressure and NOT ease up on them until the problems have been resolved. Enough of the “good ole club” mentality we need to move these departments, city & hierarchy into the new century of “No special previledges” to a selective few.

    I commend each and everyone of you for standing up to the bully on the front line “Julie Scott”. How embarassing for the chief that she does not think he can articulate, so she has to speak for him!

    But let’s remember this is the same person who went off in a “Sexual Harassment Training” in front of 75 people, retaliating and threatening the officer’s. That should give us a BIG clue of how detrimental she is. Let’s oust her immediately.

    Good luck on the 28th and may you continue to speak for our community. You are the leadership that we so desperately need now.

  2. Going Nuts Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 10:57 pm #

    Finally, after months of reading this depressing stuff I am surprised to see some “Moxy” and a sign of hope for the city. These are the people we need on the council!

    Standing up and questioning the crooks! Juli Scott has time and time again proven to be a snake in the grass. Why is she still there? Why is Chief Stehr not on leave?

    All I can say is KUDOS commissioners…fight on!!!

  3. Stretch Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 11:01 pm #

    Great reporting Fronnie! You won’t see this stuff in the Leader.

    Everyone needs to rally behind these brave people who are beginning to finally show some spine.

    Strange that the city council wasn’t as fired up…?

  4. JK Friday, October 16, 2009 at 12:57 pm #

    more comments on the Burbank Police Commission
    http://whatsupinburbank.wordpress.com/october-28-2009-possibly-an-historic-date-in-burbank-history/

    Comments on the Burbank Civil Service Board
    http://whatsupinburbank.wordpress.com/the-new-civil-service-board-controversy/

  5. cool chick Friday, October 16, 2009 at 2:13 pm #

    I don’t know how we do this exactly but I think we should vote for our police commissioners. Part of the problem appears to be that councilmembers just hand pick friends for this commission and their friends don’t care what the voters think.

    How many of these commissioners party with councilmembers like the mayor or vice mayor anyway ?

  6. Ed Friday, October 16, 2009 at 3:32 pm #

    There is more than enough for everbody to get mad with all the things that are going on in Burbank. Three cheers for the commissioner calling the whole game played by this city what it is A SHAM.

    Hope this commission starts asking more questions and demanding straight answers. enuf of the lies and coverups already.

  7. Tim Friday, October 16, 2009 at 3:34 pm #

    Does the commission have the power to ask questions under subpoena and under oath ? They need that so they stop being fed lies. Get the answers on the record, as testimony and hold those who answer to the answers they give. That would be a refreshing change.

  8. Tim Friday, October 16, 2009 at 3:38 pm #

    Fronnie

    The single man units on partol is a big concern. Regardless of what they may say it affects morale and safety and that’s exactly why they did it. They wanted to affect morale and safety in a negative way.

  9. Vampire Friday, October 16, 2009 at 4:22 pm #

    “Scott would explode with some long-winded response. A couple of times, I saw the chief’s mouth open to speak, but the words we heard were from Scott. It was a strange sort of ventriloquist act that was annoying rather than amusing. Why is Scott talking so much at these commission meetings?”

    Maybe she is the puppeteer who pulls all the strings ? Maybe the chief really is a dummy and she is the ventriloquist ? Whichever it is somebody should really find out.

  10. Johnny Friday, October 16, 2009 at 4:27 pm #

    Dang Vampire it sounds like the mayor reading from the writings of Councilman Golonski and then getting mad when he got caught doing it. We have lots of venriloquists around city hall.

  11. ERG Friday, October 16, 2009 at 7:19 pm #

    Talking about reading from Councilman Golonski’s notes have any of the blogs tried to obtain the memos written by Councilman Golonski over the years ?

  12. Al in SoCal Friday, October 16, 2009 at 7:46 pm #

    My question would be did they agree to agendize all their concerns so next meeting they could actually talk about it?

    The agenda rule is in all meetings, every committee gets that if you veer off the agenda. The way around it of course is to ask to get your topics on the agenda – which hopefully they requested.

  13. Terri Friday, October 16, 2009 at 8:57 pm #

    Fronnie Lewis:

    Could it be that the attorney named Julie Scott talks so much because she gets paid by the minute or maybe even by the word. Some attorneys go on and on to run up the bill, I think the city should look into if that is what she does by talking all the time.

  14. Fronnie Friday, October 16, 2009 at 9:50 pm #

    Interesting question, Terri. How much is Assistant City Attorney Juli Scott paid for attending and, ah, speaking out at police Commission meeting?

    Also, the next police commission meeting on Wednesday, October 28, will only deal with drafting a letter to the Burbank City Council.

  15. Stretch Friday, October 16, 2009 at 10:18 pm #

    Keep a watchful eye on how the commission is controlled or subdued by Scott. This is the way she controls many aspects of the department and city cover-ups. Sorry… “damage control” as she calls it.

    Now that the public is watching it will be very difficult to pull off what has been going on for years. Imagine what these people do behind closed doors?

  16. Fronnie Friday, October 16, 2009 at 11:54 pm #

    And keep in mind, the police commission meetings are open to the public.

    A group of citizens attended this week’s meeting. And some of them will probably be at the October 28th meeting as well. So yes, the public is watching.

  17. Manny Ramirez Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 12:14 pm #

    Yeah everyone, listen to Stretch, he is the moral compass of Fronnie’s website. How are things with the discrimination trial coming along Stretch?

    We want people like that big crybaby Jim Etter making decisions for the police department? I will bring him a crying blanket. Good call people.

    Incognito, a few comments. Ms. Stearns-Nisesen is a wannabe. She is frothing at the mouth trying to be a council member. Not going to happen especially if she is being lied to by people she confers with. I spoke with a few officer friends who were at the particular Sexual Harassment training. The officers I spoke with did not hear anything at all. So continue with the Kool Aid party.

    Also, I spoke with some officers about the single man/woman patrol car issues. The officers I spoke with said they were acting like a bunch of babies who weren’t getting their way. The officers should go out and do their job. If they don’t like things, do the city and the citizens a favor. Quit their job.

    With all the up rage, I am surprised that none of you show up at the council meetings. Then again you have to rely on Good Ol’ Mike Nolan who gets much of his information from particular current and former council members. Is Mike Nolan paid by some of these people? Interesting. All SMOKE and MIRRORS around here!

  18. Red Ant Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 12:15 pm #

    These meetings should be more than open to the public they should be televised so the public can watch them when they have the time. Let me get this right the meetings are at a ridiculous time for the public and then they are stuck in the police department right ? WHY ? Have these meetings on say Saturday at mid day and have them televised. Get real people!

  19. Red Ant Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 12:18 pm #

    Manny is sounding sooo bitter. Face it man most of us are really fed up with all the games at city hall. I say make Mike Nolan mayor, that would straighten lots of this mess out fast.

  20. Danny Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 12:22 pm #

    This story about the every 15 minutes program just came up as related to this story here. The 15 minutes sounds like it goes for days and is morbid as hell. Maybe they should do this one for Halloween or something. I am wondering if anybody knows if the cops and firemen get overtime to do this or if they volunteer. I’d say if they believe in it they should v olunteer to do it on their day off, but I bet this is some overtime gig. http://ohburbank.wordpress.com/

  21. Honda Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 12:26 pm #

    Manny I was at the city council one time, that was more than enough for me. I will leave a chair open for you cuz they actually don’t have room for that many people in there, when I went I thought that was the plan keep people out. I liked how policeman standing all over the place is not blocking the walking paths but a lady standing there is some big hazard. Yeah Manny I went there one time and got the message about the place.

  22. Manny Ramirez Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 12:40 pm #

    Funny when I watch the council meetings it is pretty empty (during oral communications). I have been there too. The police officer stands off to the side and doesn’t impede anyone. Next excuse???

  23. Reese Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 12:56 pm #

    I agree it’s really empty now compared to how it used to be, maybe that says something about how intimidated people feel is my guess.

  24. DixieFlyer Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 12:31 am #

    So now that we have a Police Commission made of Citizens who want to be a REAL part of the checks-and-balance of our City Manager form of Government; Manny wants to put down a young commissioner who went for a ride along, listened to BPD officer’s concerns, and actually asked the command staff to respond at the next meeting!!!
    Ms. Elise is called a wanna’ be by Loveable Manny. This young lady had the guts to ask for support to represent the People of Burbank. Her willingness to serve our CITY is what we want more of, not less. If we had members of the previous Commission willing to ask questions, some of the current MESS could have been exposed to the cleansing light of day sooner.
    Many of us want to have Commission and Board members that are willing to do their job–willingness to also ask for consideration to represent us on City Council should not be a disqualifier–the future candidates have a vested interest if demonstrating their ability to observe, remember and compare the actions of those hired to serve us.

  25. Manny Ramirez Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 9:29 am #

    So a commission member who acts like a 5 year old and throws a tantrum is the “REAL part of the checks-and-balance?” Unfortunately Mr. Flyer you again don’t have all the facts. You sugar coat everything as usual. I am sure Ms. Elise did not know that her ride along had been part of a protest in which officers were not making any type of stops. So I guess you can say the real crooks (burglars, robbers, people driving drunk) were having a free pass for a few weeks during the weekends because a group of patrol officers were refusing to do anything except handle radio calls for service. What kind of police officer do you call these people? Ms. Elise has an ultimate agenda, why all of the sudden did she come out from under her rock?

  26. Carol Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 1:17 pm #

    Come out from under her rock ? I am not sure I read that with any great love Manny. Have you ever heard of people suddenly finding out that there is a problem and becoming concerned about it ?

    Honestly Manny do you have issues with females ?

  27. Disgusted Burbank Resident Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 2:11 pm #

    If the City Council doesn’t give more power to this Police Commission it tells me they have been part of covering up the probloems all along. I will be watching to see which one of them wants everything to stay the same so the the problems can continue.

  28. ERG Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 4:44 pm #

    Manny you are a real hoot!

  29. Manny Ramirez Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 6:23 pm #

    ERG= another brainiac, and potential council member.

  30. DixieFlyer Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 8:05 pm #

    Manny sounds more like ARMEN all the time==at least he doesn’t take four pages to say it.
    Is it too much to ask that we welcome other bloggers and share some thoughts–not venom???

  31. Fronnie Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 10:42 pm #

    As you all probably know, Police Commissioner Stearns-Niesen is in her second term. So she is not new to the position.

    I was in the Burbank Police Department’s Community Academy with Stearns-Niesen back in 2007. She was concerned about police officers and the community back then. Hiding under a rock? Hardly.

    Manny,

    Are you referring to that sexual harassment training session where Attorney Juli Scott went into that rant and browbeat officers? Well, a Burbank City employee who was at that training session told me that it did happen.

  32. Manny Ramirez Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 11:27 pm #

    Mr. Flyer- nice try

    Ms Lewis- Why all of the sudden is she making inquiries? She didn’t do much doing her first tenure. She had run for council in this past election.
    She has to do something or make a name for herself if she wants to be on the City Council.

    Yes I was referring to the sexual harassment training. I spoke to about 5 officers who offered a different version of what had happened. So I guess we’ll disagree about what was stated. I would be willing to bet that your person is a disgruntled employee of the police department. I don’t have any facts, I am just making a general assumption.

  33. Fronnie Monday, October 19, 2009 at 11:45 am #

    Manny,

    And I’m willing to bet your sources are officers who share your view about the lack of real problems in the police department. Only some, as you say, “disgruntled” employees making noise.

    As for Stearns-Niesen, she and the rest of the Police Commissioner have taken some bold steps because they see, and clearly you don’t, that the city is in trouble and the community wants something done about it.

    Stearns-Niesen should be encouraged rather than attacked.

  34. DixieFlyer Monday, October 19, 2009 at 2:14 pm #

    Step-by-step, slooowly it dribbles out.
    Some time back we shared that there was a problem with Performance Evaluations and the infamous Pat Lynch. when various bloggers referenced ‘quota’s’ and “no smoking ttickets”, lawyers and the BPOA–then RE-evaluations under threat of civil action, we were side-tracked into questions about where the fines would go.
    Now that Manny says “I am sure Ms. Elise did not know that her ride along had been part of a protest…”. we ALL SHOULD KNOW the cat’s out of the bag.
    Maybe now Manny will discuss the threats and intimidation tactics epmloyed against the men and women of the Patrol Division.
    The “Brass” had to approve of the ride along–remember John Brady–and certainly wouldn’t be part of the ‘protest’ , would they??
    Reports are that JULI SCOTT tried interupting the Chief when he started to answer Ms. Elises’s first question. Was that about “part of a protest”, too??

  35. ERG Monday, October 19, 2009 at 3:21 pm #

    Mz Lewis I think you are correct Mz Stearns should be supported and not attacked for trying to do something. Manny I am afraid doesn’t want anything to change.

  36. Manny Ramirez Monday, October 19, 2009 at 4:03 pm #

    As usual, Mike ah i mean Dixie misses the whole point. Also, quit hanging around Burbank High School and waiting for rides. You exactly know what i mean. I think that would be a conflict if I ever brought that up. There needs to be major change but you have to have the right players. A majority of your players are on the wrong side of the fence. Again you are to blinded to see. Open your eyes for a change.

  37. Debra Monday, October 19, 2009 at 11:52 pm #

    Well Fronnie Lewis I have been hearing the same things you have it appears. It matters not where I go now, the issues of corruption in Burbank are being discussed everywhere.

    It is ashame that by appearance it has reached the point where the residents of Burbank know more about the corruption in town than the so called mayor does.

    I have long mused at the way one becomes mayor in this city and now the position has simply become a joke with the joker sitting in the chair. This is really looking like a hick town in Texas these days.

  38. JK Tuesday, October 20, 2009 at 12:15 pm #

    Leadership on the Police Issues, Councilman Talamantes style
    http://whatsupinburbank.wordpress.com/october-28-2009-possibly-an-historic-date-in-burbank-history/in-the-crisis-the-answer-is-leave-it-up-to-staff/

  39. Manny Ramirez Tuesday, October 20, 2009 at 10:58 pm #

    Dixie where are you?

  40. Incognito Wednesday, October 21, 2009 at 8:21 pm #

    Manny, I will start with you. I stopped drinking the Kool Aid, hence the many questions. I know how the top ranking work, trust me, I am not a new comer to the situation. Let’s say, I have about 17 years experience of dealing with stupidity on different levels. My kids grew up in this town, that I once thought to be a good ole Mayberry. WRONG.

    I have been to school board meetings, council meetings and numerous other meetings in between and unless you agree with them, they don’t want you there. We are classified as Thorns in their Side( to be polite).

    I have made myself present again for numerous reasons, but believe me when I tell you that I know a lot more than you think, I just have to be EXTRA careful about what I say or ALL HELL will break lose even worse.

    You should really read the article that Reinke wrote a while ago, when she was accused of something. Oh my goodness, she kept stating that “You are innocent until proven guilty, why must people always believe the worst in other’s, she is the defender of domestic abuse, etc, etc”. She demanded to get her day and have a fair say so, about what she was being accused. Well, than,explain to me, why we don’t demand the same of all the crazy stuff that is coming out. Be NOT afraid of the truth, the truth shall set you free.

    Let’s address the training, of 75 people present 5 say nothing happen, 70 agree that she did go into her rage, a recording(s) that does exist and will be presented when necessary. How do you refute this and apparently you are the only one, who does, because Juli has never come out to deny such accusations? If she is innocent, you would figure that she would rant over that, too, but not a soul has argued that. Your 5 police officer’s GOD bless them, job security, been there, done that. In the midst of all the mess, do you really think they want any more exposure to themselves, they are seeing first hand what the other officer’s are going through. One must grow a pair to deal with the BS that is going on around the city. If everyone is so innocent than let it all come out. WHY??? are they so afraid, why the cover ups. Enough.

    About the patrolling, I know what is going on their too. You only want to here and know one side and that too is okay, if you are happy with that. I for one will continue to push for answers and demand that MY hard earn tax dollars are spent wisely.

    ENOUGH!!!!!!! favoritism.

    Mayor Bric, acknowledge that the FBI is investigating, do you really think that 3 different departments are investigating for Shits & Giggles??? Let’s get serious. They found things and now they want to get to the bottom of it, without the support of top level.

    Strange how the walls are crumbling and all some want to do is blame the few that have spoken up. If they are in fact Crybabies as you state, let that come out too and I will be the first to apologize to you. BUT!!! don’t hold your breath, that won’t be happening anytime soon, much more will come out.

    I don’t really care about the chief or city manager’s personal sexual life, but obviously their behavior leads you to believe that they are above the law. Discretion is a part of valor, lets not forget.

    Fronnie you keep providing us with the wonderful stories, that keeps the truth alive and to those who blog with invaluable information “Rock On”.

  41. JK Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 1:56 pm #

    police related and all about tripods and the film stuff
    http://whatsupinburbank.wordpress.com/enemy-of-the-state-bobs-big-boy-tripods-mr-muldoon-anyone-could-be-next/

  42. Manny Ramirez Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 8:19 pm #

    Incognito, I am going to call you out. It’s all about C-R-E-D-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y. Do you have any meaning for credibility? Do you need the definition of this word? I dont believe you have any CREDIBILITY.
    You say there was 75 people present at this Sexual Harassment training. I believe there was on 38 people at this training. So how did you come up this number? Are you getting the wrong facts? Are you talking to someone who is bias? Sure sounds like it and they are making you look like an idiot. I would LOVE to hear the recording. I can’t wait until its played. Maybe your connection can give it to you and we can all listen to it as a WAV file? Who wants coverups? I surely dont but I also want the facts. This is something you dont present in any manner. About the patrolling issue, what do you know about it? Lets hear it. So if officers do not do their job you are fine with that? Not enforcing laws and serving the public is good with you? Again, I believe you are getting incorrect information. I know that you will be apologizing to me in the near future.

  43. Manny Ramirez Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 8:48 pm #

    I forgot one thing too. I just reviewed the city council meeting on the City’s website. Boy, did i curl Mike Nolan’s toes. Then again, Mike is also lacking any credibility. I never stated the the City was looking at reversing the civil service board ruling. Where did I ever say that? How would or could I do this? I am just a blogger. I had heard that this was not an issue that should have ever gone to civil service. I went onto the city’s website and read the police departments mou. Pretty simple reading the mou as it relates to a temporary position. I am hoping you people dont have a problem distinguishing between “temporary” and “permanent.”

  44. Fronnie Friday, October 23, 2009 at 3:18 am #

    Manny,

    Your comment “I am just a blogger” is interesting. I did not realize you had a blog. Generally, the person who runs or writes the articles or posts on a blog is the blogger. That would be me.

    A person who leaves remarks or comments on a blog post or entry is considered a commentator. That would be you.

  45. Incognito Friday, October 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm #

    Manny, your concern over 38 or 75 is semantics. The IMPORTANT thing to remember is that only 5 of the so called 38 people claim that they did not hear it? The math still does not add up, we still have 33 who said it did and AGAIN, why have they not refuted that allegation, they find it very important to argue and spend our tax dollars on stupid stuff, why not this one. Intimidation, at it’s very best.

    Your insult about credibility? I don’t need to prove my credibility to an anger soul, like yourself, I know how I live and the standards I live them by and I can surely tell you that I don’t answer to YOU!

    Hell is going to be freezing over, before you hear my apology, because one will not be necessary after the truth comes out. The real question will be, are you going to apologize to us for all your demeaning insults? Notice, it’s always you insulting and attacking people, if you are part of the BPD, no wonder we are having major issues.

    Lastly you fail to understand something very important, no matter who wins, the real losers are the citizens of this community, because our tax dollars ultimately pay all the expenses and it will take a long, long time for the city to heal from all this.

    Find it in your heart to stop being RUDE!, it’s not necessary to get your point across.

  46. Stretch Friday, October 23, 2009 at 2:58 pm #

    Incognito,

    Keep the info coming and the awareness going. Don’t give that poor guy Manny a second thought. He always dogs me even though I have proved him wrong several times. Remember when he said Taylor wasn’t going to sue? As for a recording, it exists. So what…idots need proof because Manny believes then its true? Weak.

    By the way…they cancelled any further sexual harrassment training. Why because nothing happened? I remember when a guy named “Retired” rercently posed some questions to Manny and he didn’t respond because he couldn’t.

    Here is the latest from another guy – something Manny won’t tell you because it involves his friends.

    Going Nuts wrote:

    “The Burbank Police Commission is a front for oversight. As long as Juli Scott and Tim Stehr are controlling their actions, NOTHING will change! Even now officers that are coming forward are being harrassed and others are applying to other jobs.

    This is an non arguable fact for all the idiots who claim nothing is wrong in the city. According to the PORAC Legal Defense Fund, 30 plus BPD officers have sought representation for misconduct and criminal matters in recent months. A special legal council has been assigned to the Burbank case alone. They have even run out of attorneys to represent BPD officers because of all the conflicts. This same legal council has expressed “concern” about some of the actions by the department and BPOA. They are investgating these concerns.

    Out of 150 officers – 30 plus need attorneys?

    The city council has the balls to tell us everything is being investigated! Burbank government is broken and corrupted. Nothing will change until people are removed from power!”

    To me that says it all…bam! Oh…and for Manny…that is quit a bit more than you like to talk about. According to you we are all “drinking kool aid, well then if that’s true, your smoking crack!

  47. Incognito Friday, October 23, 2009 at 5:01 pm #

    Thank you Stretch. I have no intention of letting a JERK like Manny intimidate me like the BPD intimidates the employee’s they don’t like.

    Scary that 20% of our police officer’s are looking for legal representation/advise. OH! but let’s remember according to Manny, we don’t have any problems, only crybabies.

    Let’s ignore Manny, his nasty comments and merit-less statements. It’s a waste of intellect.

    You are correct, if they want to hear the tape(s), it’s not because they don’t believe, they are only interested in the gossip and want to hear her rampant rage.

    If nothing happened? Why are they canceling the training sessions. It is mandatory that anyone having 50 or more employee’s train their staff on these issues. It’s a law in the state of California.

    I’m telling you, it’s going to get uglier before it get’s better.

  48. Manny Ramirez Friday, October 23, 2009 at 6:05 pm #

    Frannie, you are pretty funny. Sorry, I would never take credit for your blog. Why would I?

    Incognito, ok, so it wasn’t a big deal but you will admit to “inflating” the numbers. So what was the purpose to inflating these numbers? I know you will not answer. Your so called sources are the ones who are offended. Are the people offended part of the lawsuit? Again, as usual, you missed my point. So that doesn’t mean the other 30 people were offended as you profess. So by calling you out by the lack of your credibility is insulting. Sounds like you can’t take any heat or responsibility for anything you say (I.E. you assertion that 75 people were at that training when in fact it was half that). Maybe you shouldn’t lie or report untruthful facts. Who is angry? I love calling you out when you are wrong! I really got your panties in a bunch when I said you would be apologizing to me but as in post #40 you were going to apologize if you were wrong. You will be wrong, but dont worry I dont want you to apologize. It will validiate your lousy credibility. You also have a major issue with comprehension of people’s thoughts. You do not seem to comprehend that #1-I know it going to cost the city a crap load of money. I am not happy at all about this. #2-There are major leadership issues all around the city, #3-I believe some of the so called accusations are false. I am only asking you wait until the all the facts have surfaced. I want it done all now but from what I hear around the city is that it is going to take a while. So do yourself a favor, learn to comprehend and not twist others responses like your buddy, Stretch (which i will be addressing) and learn to report facts not misrepresented items. Your credibility will slowly come back.

    Stretch, so Manny dogs Stretch? What does that mean? please explain? Sorry I am not up to par with this contemporary language. I do not believe I said anything about Mr. Taylor filing a lawsuit. Remember Stretch anyone can file a lawsuit, does not mean it is valid. From what I have heard, he was not a very good leader. Do you wish to elaborate? Was he a good leader? If you read post #42, I said I would love to hear it. Bring it out. Quit hiding things people. Why did they cancel the training? What were the questions asked by Retired? You are very hypocritical when I asked you questions you don’t disappear.
    Who are my friends? 30 people? are you sure about that? are your numbers inflated like Incognito? Again, read the first paragraph, I think there is leadership deficiency. To me if you work at the department, you seem very disgruntled. If you are so angry why would you continue working there?

    Incognito- hey kettle, meet pot. You were practically crying here a few hours ago about the rudeness. Where did I call you names. I just said you had no credibility. Incognito, I dont know who the department likes. Will you “pretty please” tell us who they intimidate? I would love to know or are you just making this up? AGAIN Incognito, who said there weren’t problems. DO I HAVE to say it again. There are leadership issues and problems. I have said that from day ONE. COMPREHEND PLEASE. LOL intellect? yes that is you isn’t it?

    See you guys in another few weeks, I ll be out of the country again. Dont believe I will have internet service. I will be back!

  49. Tim Friday, October 23, 2009 at 7:20 pm #

    I am laughing hard right now. Manny agrees there are problems, wow so now we get to believe that there are some problems.

    Stretch Manny dogs everyone lmao. I take it this way. If Manny doesn’t dog you then you must not be saying anything he wants to hide.

    Take a long time for the truth to come out ? Sure I can believe that. The city will hire a pr firm and try to get a pr story out. One problem with that tactic is it is a tactical error because people are talking and people are watching now.

    Maybe some pr firm can write something for the mayor to try to read so we can all laugh while he stumbles over every other word or something. lmao

  50. Stretch Friday, October 23, 2009 at 7:28 pm #

    This is the last time I will shut you down. You say “I don’t believe I said anything about Mr. Taylor filing a lawsuit”…. You lie sir and here is the proof. Read your comments….

    54. Manny Ramirez Says:
    September 10th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
    “Reeeaaalllyyyy??????? Stretch you are so full of crap that you are making yourself to look like even a bigger idiot than you already are.

    If the Deputy Chief has filed a lawsuit then where is it? How come we have not heard of it? please explain. Who are the 7 officers suing the city (i know the five i had seen at the press conference) who are the other 2? I have heard through sources that there are a FBI and LA County Sheriff’s investigation but so far that is the only thing that you seem to have right. You say the only female lesbian officer was forced out of the department but in other post on this site, you say she was suing the department”

    “So Stretch keep up the great work you are doing. I think you would do a great job on the City Council because you are blowing more smoke up this blog site than some of the City Council members. Hmmmm why don’t you run?”

    There it is you moron. So far the fire chief is still gone for milking educational funds, Taylor has a lawsuit making “7” (guess you cant count), and the city anounced the FBI investigations. Oh and the gay female officer (named Hartwick) has now retired medically (her attorney made a settlement with the city), but you can bet she will still be a witness for the future trials of discrimination.

    BAM! Seek help…your sick.

  51. Tim Friday, October 23, 2009 at 8:12 pm #

    Way to go Stretch. I not only remember Manny challenging you on the Deputy Chief filing a lawsuit I also remember Manny chalenging you on where are the Federal Grand Jury Subpoenas.

    Stretch more than a few times you said something right here and a few days later it was even in the LA Times. Oh but each time Manny says you don’t know what you are talking about and challenges your credibility.

    Stretch you have been batting a thousand and Manny has been batting zero so maybe he really is playing for the losing Dodger team.

  52. Danny Friday, October 23, 2009 at 8:14 pm #

    Manny has a big time habit. When some one says something that’s true he dogs them. I use that to know what I should pay special attention to. Stretch you have come out with lots of WAM BAM information and I appreciate it big time.

  53. Intelligent Being Friday, October 23, 2009 at 8:16 pm #

    So Manny how much does the city pay you for this great public relations work you do on the blogs ? Come on Manny you can tell us, after all you sound just like the public relations letter the mayor read a few weeks ago.

  54. Incognito Monday, October 26, 2009 at 4:35 pm #

    The Gospel has been spoken. Amen!!! Manny has finally accepted that we have BIG issues in the community. Can well all sleep better now or what???.

    Manny, I can’t take you serious, when all you do is bark. I don’t have an actual confirmation of the number of attendee’s, but like I said earlier, regardless of the number, that Witch, did pull her stunt and it was witnessed by many. That is all that matter’s. She is allowed to get away with this type of behavior in front of people, which proves that it is worse behind closed doors.

    You insist on the officer’s lying, but you miss the BIG picture. If only half of what they say is true, it is still a BIG deal, that we tolerate this behavior, especially in this day and age. ABUSE is NOT acceptable, period.

    Don’t you find it interesting that 20% of the dept is seeking advise from legal counsel, we do not have that many officer’s to begin with (no more than 175, if at that).

    This is like Pandora’s Box, it has been opened and the worst is yet to come.

    You sound like the 2 people from the Burbank Times that I met recently. “They do not report on things, just because they are rumors or on blogs”? I told them, that I don’t want rumors, I want a paper to do it the old fashion way and do some investigative work. They did not like my comment and refused to make any references in that paper, since the final report from the FBI was not available. OH! let me guess, so until we have any information, it is not news worthy?

    Fronnie, Stretch, Tim and everyone else who is seeking the truth, to you I say Fight on! We are upsetting people, hence the retaliation. So we must be doing a good job.

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