Photo: FLLewis/A Writer’s Groove —Burbank City Council, David Gordon, Dave Golonski, Anja Reinke, Jess Talamantes, and sitting, Gary Bric
There were speeches. There was debate. Still, it came as no surprise that four members of the Burbank City Council chose to oust newly-appointed Police Commissioner, John Brady, at their meeting last night. Again, Council member David Gordon tried various tactics to persuade his fellow council members to allow the civil rights activist to serve out his four year term. Nevertheless, the vote was four-to-one in favor of kicking Brady off the police commission and opening up a 30 day application period to fill the seat. Gordon was the lone dissenter.
During public comments, a number of people stepped to the podium to praise Brady’s character, experience, dedication to human rights, and commitment to the Burbank community. They included former city council candidate, Garen Yegparian and Burbank School Board Member, Larry Applebaum. Brady’s supporters pleaded with the council to keep him on the police commission. Also, Brady delivered a passionate defense, in which he declared the DUI the best thing that could have happened to him, because he got treatment and has not had a drink in two years.
Later during the discussion of the issue, Anja Reinke, Dave Golonski, Gary Bric, and Jess Talamantes all insisted it was not Brady’s DUI that’s the problem. They claimed the fact that Brady is on probation is the reason he would not display the right image on the police commission. Reinke said it “…sends the wrong message…”
Even though, the police commission application did not ask about criminal background, these council members chastised Brady for not alerting them to his probation and causing the controversy about it. The most adamant, Talamantes, slammed Brady repeatedly with statements like, “…you didn’t put it on your application…” and “…you did it to us…” and ” …you’ve put us in this position…”
These four council members did not question the motives of Police Chief Tim Stehr for bringing forward the information about the DUI and probation after the council had appointed Brady to the police commission. No, these council members were narrowly focused on blaming the victim for the situation they found themselves in. Did they do the right thing? I don’t think so. I believe the council’s handling of the Brady controversy has done more damage to the police commission and the city than whatever difficulties his probation may have presented to his position as police commissioner.
In another controversy, Amy and Jim Roach, the owners of that now famous Himalayan cat, “Kitty Pants,” asked for the council’s help in getting their pet back. Recently during a mix-up at the Burbank Animal Shelter, “Kitty Pants,” who had been reported missing, was adopted by a new family. Once the mistake was discovered, city officials tried to get the new family to return “Kitty Pants.” In a callous and heartbreaking decision, the new family has refused to give up “Kitty Pants,” even in exchange for $650 and a new kitten.
The city council members Reinke and Golonski offered their help, but said the city could not go in with a SWAT team and retrieve “Kitty Pants.” Okay, the SWAT team might be a bit much. However, the city should join with the Roaches in a legal battle to get their pet back. I know there are lawsuits and investigations hanging over the city of Burbank. If there are settlements for these cases, more than likely they will be in the millions of dollars.
Yet, I think the city needs to do the right thing in the “Kitty Pants” matter. The right thing is to take whatever legal action is necessary now to get that beloved pet back to its rightful owners.
What they did was so obvious, they were wrong so they blamed it all on the victim.
Message is clear on this one right from the mayor who said he didn’t have a problem when he got the DUI and he doesn’t have a problem now. Sort of tells me he still drinks and drives but now that he is tha mayor I’m sure he won’t get a ticket even if he kills a pedestrian.
Wish I had vote for Yegparian instead of Golonski a few months ago. I fell for his lies, I was duped and I regreat it more than you can know. The mayor pushed him as the best that we had running, experience and all but the mayor didn’t tell me all the problems Golonski was sweeping under the rug back then. Boo to the mayor.
Talamantes = TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT 🙁
Take a look at a few old news stories that give you some inight of the man they didn’t want on our Burbank Police Commission. I have to ask myself just how far will some members of the Burbank City Council go to further their racist agendas ?
http://www.burbankleader.com/articles/2008/11/19/news/blr-human19.txt
they don’t have any love for John Brady because he stands strong against their unjust behavior and policies of intollerance.
Ricardo,
Yeah, Mayor Bric’s position on his DUI is rather convoluted. It gets more so each time he talks about it.
Johnny,
I too wish I had voted for Yegparian. He got it. And had the courage to speak out on the Brady controversy. While some other folks I voted for are still in the dark.
Mrs Lewis
I wish I was able to think they are just in the dark. For me it looks more like they are who they are and they show what they really believe in how they act.
TALAMANTES = TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT 🙁
The mayor needs to look into a great big mirror, the first sign of an alcohol problem is denial. DEBNIAL Mr Mayor and you said last night you not only denied your problem the day you got your DUI you continue to deny it today. DENIAL is the first sign you have a serious problem. Maybe the Mayor can ask Mr Brady for help in understanding he has has a problem.
The baseball coach sounds to me like another case of being the wrong color, brown is always wrong in Burbank.
I like Reinke and her Kitty pants comments! She is all about supporting the owners of this cat. Then she tells her immigration story, with passion.
Funny how she doesn’t seem to care about Mr. Herrera, who is an illegal immigrant that was taken from the jail and beaten for a confession. When the officers reported the incident, Stehr covered it up because the bad cop introduced him to his wife, who works for the assistant city attorney.
Thank God for phones in Guatamala. Mr Herrera was interviewed and is cooperating with authorities. Where is Renike’s comments to Stehr who was sitting in the front row?
Oh and I hate to bring it up again but I checked around for more info. The Fire Chief is history like the Leader reported for IOD. Nice cover, except the ex-fire chief Davis says the real reason is scandalous. Apparently, Pansini was getting paid for educational benfits for years and never went to school.
Just ask the city manager about it and he won’t tell you. I did like Mayor Bric’s comment about it. It sounded like he was giving Pansini’s eulogy.
agreed-
boo to the mayor
boo to that vice mayor
talamantes is a disappointment i second that!
Oh PLUUUEEEZE with Council womans passion for kitty pants the cat. She cares more about an animal than she does for people and human rights. I think she would kick the cat if she got a chance and I woul not trust her anywhere close to my kids.
The coach Sandoval got a bum deal and the Comissioner got a bad deal. She sits there like next victim please.
Vice Mayor Renke lashes out at people and goes on and on has anyone else caught onto that ? She has no substance she just lashes out and spews hatred.
Certainly she has a little compassion for people, or is she devoid of any of that ?
She could be the poster child for what tolerance for illegal immigration can cause to happen.
She really needs to go.
Great blog, catching up on the stories here. Burbank has problems that only an outside investigation and take over of the city can clean up. It’s long overdue and unless you have been living in a cave you have to know how bad it is here.
Hey Fronnie, why don’t YOU apply for the open slot? I think you’d be a good replacement for Brady.
I agree that the coach situation should be explored…. it appears that he received a WORSE penalty after appealing than he got originally– now he’s suspended for most of next year as well, and that wasn’t mentioned duting his first council appearance two weeks ago– they first said until the end of the season.
His team-parents are convinced that the whole problem was ethnically motivated in the first place…
What’s funny about Reinle’s language last night is that she was not responding to any kind of community outrage about Brady’s DUI– there was no public concern about it at all. So why was SHE so worried about its appearance?
Jim Carlisle
I was thinking the same thing last night. There were plenty of people speaking about John Brady’s work in social justice and I was really impressed by the former School Board President speaking about how the School Board works with Mr Brady. The only perople who expressed any problem with John Brady were the dirty four, Bric, Golonski, Talamantes and Rienke.
Jim don’t you know her concern and their concern was from Golonski telling them to be concerned ? They sit there and reprsent Golonski on the council. I bet he met with them and told them to be concerned.
About the coach situation I really have no confidence at all if they say it’s not about racism. Something tells me they want to replace him with a nice white blond boy to be coach and just maybe the white blond boy is sombodies nephew that needs a job.
It sounds to me like the city didn’t want to hear from ethnic parents and only took testimony about what happened from a few white folks. I may be white but I think that is wrong. Something else for the FBI to investigate I guess since I wouldn’t trust the city to investigate it.
I said WTF so many times last night I lost count. WTF is with allowing this hotel to build an enormous luxury swimming pool ???
WTF is with taking peoples cats???
WTF is with destroying a man’s reputation???
WTF is with these people sitting there like they are God anyway ?
Our representatives lie and lie and then forget what lie they told last. The mayor has his own badge of honor, it’s a DUI. Great for him so after listening to that shrill voice of that vice mayor on the subject I expect her to make the motion to remove the mayor. She is so outraged about one guy and playing footsie under a table with the other guy. Gert a life lady.
Thanks for the blog found you by doing some searches about Burbank.
Only one quick thing to say here and it’s that I have not one drop of respect for our Mayor or our Vice Mayor. Respect is earned and they have earned my complete lack of respect.
I so wish we had at least 3 more Councilmember Gordons on the council and that Councilman Gordon was Mayor Gordon.
Some criticize him for being outvoted but for me he is the one who stands up for people and their rights.
Johnny,
You are right. Actions speak the loudest.
Danny,
True, the mayor’s DUI remains troubling.
Edwardo,
I’m bothered by the coach’s case as well. I would really like to see the report on the hearing to see why he got such a long suspension. And what did he do to prompt it?
Carma,
Yes Councilwoman Reinke showed a lot of compassion for “Kitty Pants” and the owners.
The accusation against Fire Chief Pansini is the spark for yet another controversy.
Studio5,
That’s what I’m hearing from some folks in town now: the clean-up will have to be done by an outside organization because city officials can not be trusted to do it.
Jim Carlile,
Thanks for the offer. However, I must decline. I’m a writer/blogger/observer.
Still there are some folks commenting on this blog who probably should consider it. What about you,Jim?
Come on people this park dept independent appeal panel. At this point anybody believe its independent or impartial. Who is on it and who do they answer to. You can’t answer that so don’t buy it’s fair and impartial it’s brought to you by the same people who bring you everything else that’s not impartial. The coach and his teams were mistreated it’s that simple.
Pissed Off,
I understand your reaction, completely.
Sharon,
Glad you dropped by to visit.
Eileen c.,
I think Councilman Gordon’s stock is on the rise with a lot of folks these days.
Jake F.,
You have to wonder, when the coach said his witnesses were disregarded at the hearing. Also, apparently he gets to appeal even though he was told there was no appeal.
I was at the city council meeting when all those kids and parents came in to support the coach and tell what they saw of the dispute. City officials should not ignore the voices and concerns of these citizens.
Sure bet the coach was descriminated against try going to their exclusive tennis center and watch the descrimination country club style.
I smell racism with the coach situation. I just think they want him and the kids he coaches to go away so they won’t need to play against them.
This cat fever is crazy. The City Shelter fkd up so admit it, fix it and move on already.
At this point the whole Police Commission thing, forget it. The thing is worthless and we don’t have any need for any of them so disban them completely.
Oh and on the woman that sits on the council, all I can say is BARF.
Where is Jay Leno and the Tonight show when you need him imagine what he could do with this dumbass Police Commission!
Fronnie, Thank you for introducing yourself to Jim and I last night – and thank you for posting our story about Kitty Pants.
This has been a very emotional – and FRUSTRATING – experience with the city of Burbank. This has been going on since February!
I left last night’s meeting with a little bit of hope. I hope that the ‘closed session’ that Golonski suggested not only happens, but they decide to make the right decision. The right decision is to go in and take the cat back…and deal with the legal issues from the family (if it even comes to that).
Reinke and Golonski both made me feel like they will lead the charge on this.
I was comforted to know the our story was being heard and that the City Council actually cared.
However, I’m not looking for just compassion….I’m looking for them to make this right. Kitty Pants shouldn’t have been up for adoption. The Shelter made a mistake and they need to get him back.
Amy,
Don’t be fooled by the words of the City Council. They will say whatever to make you feel like they are doing something.
If it comes to liabilty and it will, they will act like you never existed.
I suggest getting an attorney. A judge will see the facts. Here is a little legal advice. Animals are considered “property” under the law. If property is aquired illegally, accidentally, or other than a release by the owner, it will be returned to the owner by court order. This is very similar to stolen cars that are sold with no fault to the parties that did not know they were stolen.
Don’t waste time…get legal representation and get the cat back. Good luck.
Hey Amy,
Pleasure meeting you and Jim. The plight of Kitty Pants has touched people on this blog, across the Internet, and elsewhere.
I hope Council Members Reinke and Golonski follow through with working out a solution to getting your pet back during the next close session.
I’m sure if you get the impression they are foot-dragging — you’ll take the next appropriate step. Keep us posted here or drop me an e-mail to the address on the card I gave you.
Carma,
I do believe you are right about pets being property. Hopefully, the city council will come through for Amy, Jim, and Kitty Pants. If not, legal action would probably be the next option.
Well, the city definitley made a mistake in how they handled the Kitty pants situation– they just failed to follow their own procedures and lost the pet because of that. The liability is on them.
I’m wondering if they are considering making a large cash offer to the new “family” to get Kitty pants back? That would be the only sensible solution, and would avoid a lot of needless pain and time. The new “owners” may be holding out for this deal…
Has anyone actually seen the cat recently? Is it still in this family’s possession? It might not be any more– if it was a valuable cat it might have been sold. Unfortunately, there are animal “brokers” that regularly check shelters for desirable acquisitions.
Jim Carlile,
Gee, I didn’t know about animal “brokers.” Well, I’m hoping this “family” still has Kitty Pants and is holding out for a money deal.
The city should give them a nice little settlement and get the cat back.
Amy,
You really have to watch them closely. Golonski called for going in and closing the doors like they always do when they know they did wrong and they want to get in position for a legal battle. Unfortunately they never go in there for citizens they always go in there to protect themselves. What he said in public won’t be the same as what he says in private in my guess.
Good luck and I agree you should get your cat back,and anything else is unacceptable.
They sold the cat for adoption they are not the good guys that are getting the cat back. Step up Golonski and Reinke, admit your shelter and your cops made another mistake and just get the cat back.
No they offer platitudes of sympathy, pass the cigars and go off to a closed smoke filled room and plot to keep the cat owners from suing them.
Haven’t we all seen the game enuff yet ? They care so much but hell they never do anything to show it. words, words, words.
Amy said: “Reinke and Golonski both made me feel like they will lead the charge on this.”
Don’t be fooled by the master magicians. They will leave you standing alone with the attorneys they hire to go after you breathing down your throat.
Amy at that meeting the police commissioners were sitting there I believe. Did even one of them come over and ask you about your cat and what went wrong ?
I am betting not one did and the shelter is part of the Police Department and that’s what this Police Commission is about.
I hope you let us know if any of them came over to talk to you.
Amy,
I saw your story on CBS2 and I saw you at the council meeting pleading for the return of your cat.
Thanks for the post here because I honestly missed that this has been an ongoing saga for as long as it has.
The fact that this has been going on since February gives me reason for additional concern. I have no idea what time limits apply as per shelter policy and procedure or as per Burbank Municipal Code. I am also unaware of what the statutory limitations are on a state level for you to take action regarding the loss of your cat.
I would suggest that you obtain legal counsel to look into this. It is possible that the City of Burbank will string you along and count the days as you lose your rights by not exercising them.
Many legal rights have time limits with regard to when certain actions must be taken and if they are not they no longer can be taken. I have no idea what if any apply here but I suggest you look into it so none of your rights go by the wayside with the passage of time.
Your question was did the council do the right thing ? They didn’t do the right thing with anything and they never do.
Why would they go off in secret to talk about the cat ? Just give it back to it’s owners.
Give me a break spending so much time worried about a DUI and probation. How about looking at the bigger problems they have?
The coach, a victim of racism if you ask me.
Did they do the right thing ? NO
The City of Burbank makes lots of mistakes. The City of Burbank spends lots of money to cover it’s mistakes. Always able to deny a mistake and always able to spend $$$ to deny but never any effort to correct mistakes.
What an operation we have here!
No justice and no compassion for JOHN BRADY and no justice and no compassion for KITTY PANTS.
Burbank SUCKS!!!
Somebody needs to grab a fire hose and clean out city hall. Full blast and damn the water shortage clean out all the nasties in the place once and for all.
Please do a story and some investigation into the situation with Coach Sandoval and the Burbank Park Recreation and Community Services Department. There is no fairness and their is no impartiality in this department whatsoever. Please look into this for the sake of the children and for the sake of racial equality and justice.
Thanks,
Kattie
Kind of funny when you think about it. Burbank cops are mad and filing lawsuits. Cat owners are mad that the city steals cats. Kids and moms are mad because they get treated badly and their coach gets a royal screwing over. Smokers are mad because they get tickets for smoking. Bike riders are mad because people want them off the bike path. The Police Commission is mad because they put Mr Brady on with them. There sure are lots of mad people but hell the City leaders just sit there and ignore it all and act as if everything is just peachy keen.
Kattie,
Unfortunatley investigations don’t work unless there is real penalty at the other end. People are smart enough to know that the City of Burbank is hiding a lot things right now.
On this blog, Fronnie raises the questions and gets some answers. But that is not action or change.
Change sometimes needs to be forced on people, especially the city political bodies. If you want action write your congressman, the govenor, attorney general office. Don’t bother with Burbank officials, they are all in it together. Except for Dr. Gordon!
Gordon for mayor!!!!
Right on GORDON for mayor.
I love watching as his questions make them squirm. If they have nothing to hide why do they get so rattled over questions lol.
Kattie:
The coach and all the players should go along with all the parents to the United States Department of Justice. I think there is one in Westwood.
I know. Didn’t you like it when he reminded the city attorney (snake) that Brady has a right to a hearing according to the charter?
Barlow is like “it’s there as a tool” Golonski said “We have never done that…” All the removals (5) have been done this way? What? Let’s just forget procedure and do it the way we always have when we ruin a guys life.
Carma,
If only the City Attorney’s Office would place as much effort into following the law as they do dismissing the law we would not be facing so many lawsuits.
Yes the charter is expressed in the Muncipal Code. The council approves the Municipal code and then they fail to follow it again and again.
How about the Burbank Muncipal Code saying that the Police Commission SHALL meet and select a chair and vice hair in June. Then it goes on to say if it doesn’t have a meeting scheduled it SHALL call a meeting to select a chair and vice chair.
The City Attorney dismisses the SHALL by saying well they had a meting to put it off to July. What part of SHALL in their own law don’t they get ?
Kattie,
Sorry about the coach. But you need to remember something.
People have been subjected to racism, threats of violence, an officer pulled his gun on an Armenian Officer when he brought up race, a woman was told not to report a domestic violence beating by the chief, the Chief conspired with the BPOA to blame the Deputy Chief for the departments problems, Officers have lost 20 year careers and were fired for reporting misconduct, an immigrant was beaten and quickly deported to cover it up, a fire chief took education money for years without going to school, ETC….
Do you really think the city council cares about one hispanic coach and a cat called “Kitty Pants”?
The more I hear about the things they do Carma the more I know we have to get rid of all these evil people.
Do you really think the city council cares about one hispanic coach and a cat called “Kitty Pants”?
NO
Snoopy,
The City Attorneys right hand, Juli Scott ADA, has been friends with the chief for almost 20 years. They vacation together. Juli Scott is the godmother to one of the Lieutenants (named in 3 suits) and her assistant Linda Rosoff is married to this guy. The Chief was introduced to his wife by Lt Rosoff. Remember when Mike Nolan asked “Where is Juli scott in all this?” She is quiet because of the nexus.
When this all broke months ago, the chief was in fear of losing his job or worse, jail. He came up with a plan to blame the Deputy Chief, who rumor has it is filing a suit in coming weeks. Brady was vocal about this.
Isn’t is strange that the DUI thing surfaces at the exact moment the city determines it is better to back the Chief than to pay the lawsuits? A fact that Reinke says is adversarial on the part of Brady when he said “They are making a great effort against me.”
The idots on the council, know who he was referring to. Gordon is alone and fighting hard…4 to 1.
I have been attending meetings off and on for 7 years and I have never seen the “courtroom like drama” we are seing today.
So the City Attorney, a lawyer, will say anything to anybody to spin this thing in the public. He does not talk like this behind closed doors. Nor does he care about the law!
Gordon for mayor!!!!
YES I want to see the confidential document he told them to show us!
I have no trust in councilwoman Reinke. From day one she has been full of herself and her status in the world. Some nights she maybe feins some care about somebody but watch her for the long haul the only one she cares about is herself. Her comments about Brady were over the top and told me the whole issue was cooked up thanks for telling me why she helped cook it up.
Check this link out and how clients have rated Anja Reinke. They say she spreads rumors to win cases and is unethical. You got to check this out
http://www.lawyerratingz.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tcvid=35107
Arman,
That is a good find. I don’t think we need more proof of her incompetence. Anyone could tell she is a loon just by watching that performance at the council meeting.
So unprofessional!
http://www.lawyerratingz.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tcvid=35107
and why am I not at all surprised.
Everyone,
Great discussion. City officials need to realize the citizens in this town can focus on more than one issue at time. And so should they.
Sure, the lawsuits, city government scandals, and investigations are the big deal. Kitty Pants involves only one Burbank Family — but we can relate to the situation. We want to see justice and fairness done in all of these cases.
I agree, more questions need to be asked about the Coach Sandoval controversy.
Be just to everyone and they haven’t done it. They got a good dose of institutional racism going on in Burbank but it’s all coming out now.
I am scandalized by the scandals in Burbank. I now believe that Dr Gordon has been right in his pursuit of answers and those who have tried to stop him have been behind the deep problems we have here.
Imagine Dr Gordon wasting time in the persuit of truth, justice and the American way. It looks now more than ever that the loyal opposition is the problem we face and will pay dearly for.
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/403316
nice personal story about Burbank and Glendale
Isn’t this one of the Burbank Police Commission Members who wrote this ? She calls the City Council a circus act but how about what has been going on at her commission and all the lawsuits ?
http://www.burbankleader.com/articles/2009/02/15/opinion/community_commentaries/blr-comment0211.txt
Arman
I remember reading that before, of course at the time I didn’t know she was a Police Commissioner as I had no clue all that was happening under her very capable direction. My favorite part of what she says is this:
“In my opinion, three candidates match these requirements. I support Elise Stearns-Niesen, a very intelligent woman who has shown her commitment to this city with her longtime involvement in many civic organizations. I strongly support Mayor Dave Golonski because he has shown over his years on the council that he cares for everyone in the community, and not just those who applaud him.”
So she pushed a fellow commissioner named Stearns-Niesen and no surprise Dave Golonski. There are two people who have spoken up for social justice and human rights! Now it just looks like a desperate move from a desperate person to keep the covers pulled up over the covers doesn’t it ?
Arman,
Good stuff again. See the answers are all there. Its a pattern!
Arman,
Nice find. Yes, Claudia Bonis is a Burbank Police Commissioner. In light of what’s been happening with the city, police department, and police commission lately — her comments are very interesting.
Oh yeah, including that remark about the city council being a “circus act.”
If the council is a circus act Commissioner Bonis must be admitting to being the ring master LOL Hey she is a good argument for us electing Police Commissioners because if we did I doubt she would be one.
Barbie I hope Councilman Gordon keeps wasting our time asking what the hell is going on in our city. Cross your fingers and hope maybe one day the other four will get the idea that they are on the wong side all the time.
My favorite quote from Commissioner Bonis is this one right here — One must wonder why so many votes are 4 to 1. That is because he is unquestionably wrong most of the time and cannot prove his point.
Now with all the S!@#T the police commission has been hiding from everybody coming out where is Commissioner Bonis ? Her majority ideas got un in this mess I’m sure she is ready to open up her purse and pay for it all personally now right ?
I would like to see some evidence that the police commission has done anything in the last 5 years or more. Name one thing officially that they have done concerning oversight of the police departmnet.
I am willing to bet nothing.
I have been searching the internet on the Burbank Police Commission and there is nothing. No press releases, no news articles, no notices of meetings and what’s real strange is no agenda’s from their meetings or anything. Untill recently it’s like the don’t even exist. Just so you know I have been searching for any sign they ever did anything and zip is what I find.
Commissioner Elise Stearns-niesen has this website and there is a picture of some of the commissioners riding in a car waving so they do ride and wave at people I guess. It also says she works as a police cadet whatever that is. Check it out and you will see they ride along and wave at people that must be what they do or something.
http://www.voteelise.com/Elise_City_Council/Biography.html
Congrats Arman you found the one thing the do, they wave. I wonder if they throw peanuts at the people while they ride by and wave at them too funny!
There is not anything about them here so why not ?
http://www.ci.burbank.ca.us/police/index.html
What the police commission did when people were being mistreated and even cops were being mistreated is a real good question. If all they did was wave they are sick individuals. The Mayor better start asking them what they have been doing to protect people.
I have asked a couple of Burbank cops and they did not even know who the commissioners were until recently. They all agreed…the commission is another front for oversight.
Brady was going to fire things up and look what happened to him.
Until recently I never knew their meetings were even public meetings. Although I did more or less know who was on the Police Commission I never thought to ask what they did until now.
So far, it makes me sad to say that I am left with the impression they do little of any value at all for anyone. At this point it is my view that their failure to even ask any questions makes them partly culpable for the entire mess we now face.
They think they got what they wanted with Brady off their commission but what they really get in the end remains to be seen.
Everyone – thank you for your responses to KP. It makes us feel good that we have the city behind us. The fact is – since Tuesday we haven’t seen anything come down!
We spoke to the police commissioner after the meeting and he assured us that he would be doing the same thing if he was in our place.
We also spoke with Merich regarding getting the family’s name and address. I told them I’m pointing the finger at them – because that’s all I can do. We are not going to roll over. They’ve messed with the wrong family.
Don’t forget, Claudia Bonis is a realtor– a Chamber of Commerce “everything is so wonderful here” type. That’s her ilk– so she hates Gordon. People like Bonis are the reason we have problems in Burbank. They think the council is supposed to cheerlead everything, and they get deeply offended when someone starts asking uncomfortable questions….
Interesting tidbits about Anja Reinke– you know, she also got in trouble a few years ago with the Bar Association because she was accused of farming clients out of the Family Service Agency, while she was serving as its legal advisor– which is a BIG ethical no-no. You can’t donate time and then get paid clients out of it in return.
She’s also extremely morbid in her concerns– it’s all about youth and abuse with her. That’s the extent of her sympathies. Incredibly self-righteous, and dumb, too– it’s practically guaranteed that she is going to miss all of Dr. Gordon’s points.
Here’s some more on her incompetence:
http://semichorus.wordpress.com/
She made a big mistake the other night referencing Brady’s political views about the PD as a factor in his removal. And Bric was worse. It’s going to bite them back if Brady fights this.
Jim,
I believe your right. Brady gets a lawyer and Burbank loses more money. Everything they said is admissible in court. If was about probation, then why did the questionaire not ask about previous arrests and dispositions.
Have they heard of a “Grandfather Clause.”?
Not to mention that Chief Stehr is the one who presented this information at a time when he is under investigation by the same commission. Talk about conflict of interest!!!
Everyone,
Very interesting comments, background information, and points of view.
Amy,
Glad you are not going to roll over. Kitty Pants needs for you to continue the fight. I’m sure after the warnings and cautions you’ve received here — you will take care to protect your rights.
Keep us posted on your progress.
Jim –
Great site thanks for the link to it.
I agree Mr Brady needs to use a two prong approach. First he should file a report with both the State Attorney Generals office, next with the DOJ and last he should obtain an attorney and begin preparations for a civil lawsuit.
The official record of the council meetings are evidence of what was done and who did it. It occurs to me they show evidence of conspiracy between the Police Chief, City Attorney, Mayor Bric, Vice Mayor Renke asd well as Councilman Golonski. Anyone else catch how quiet Councilman Golonski attempted to be through it all ?
Add Councilman Talamantes and his using Mr Brady’s first ammendment rights to free speech with the press and you really do have a nicely packaged civil rights case. John Brady is the man who would sue, win and use the money to fight social injustice through the Human Relations Council.
The City is doing nothing to fight social injustice so hopefully Mr Brady takes them to court and uses their money to fund some real action to address the issues.
Amy Roach
Don’t hold you breath waiting for Golonski or Renke to step in and save the day. After the cameras went off they didn’t need to look concerned for Kitty Pants any longer.
Get a public outcry and storm them with public pressure. It’s the only thing they care about. I bet they would do something if you got 50 people to go and make them listen to 5 minutes X 50 people.
About Kitty Pants the cat,
A Police Commissioner told you that if he were you he would do the exact same thing ?
Goes to show he knows they are not a resource to investigate or correct any problems in the system now doesn’t it ?
So the Police Commission waves and advizes people to file a lawsuit. Why do we need those people ?
Kudos for the commissioners waving site, I never saw that one. Hey it says the following there:
Elise currently serves on the Burbank Police Commission. She enjoys the responsibility of being a liaison between the city council and the police department.
So just in case Commissioner Elise is reading along here’s a question. Can you name one specific time you have been a LIASON BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT and be specific in the example.
I bet there are no examples that are specific.
Can anyone guess who said this and please tell me what it means ?
Energy and the Environment
The City of Burbank has been on the cutting edge of environmental sustainability, and I will foster continued strides toward the city’s zero waste goal. I will work towards reducing pollutant emissions, encourage water conservation, and as stated in the Urban Environmental Accords, strive to “build an ecologically sustainable, economically dynamic, and socially equitable future for our urban citizens.”
here’s the source if you couldn’t figure it out
Energy and the Environment
http://www.voteelise.com/Elise_City_Council/Statement.html
“build an ecologically sustainable, economically dynamic, and socially equitable future for our urban citizens.”
Ecologically sustainable means a water shortage so the plants all die and the birds have nowehere to nest.
Economically dynamic means massive unemployment and vacant buildings.
Socially equitable future means a police commission that does nothing and lawsuits for everyone to pay.
Someone should pull their head out of somehwere and take a deep breath of the filty air in Burbank.
I am left to wonder just how much she knew about the present situation when she was saying that run on sentence. Honestly it reads like something written by a New York ad firm to sell pretzles or something.
my two favorite sites on the internet about Burbank
http://mediacitygroove.com/awritersgroove/
http://semichorus.wordpress.com/
Fronnie Lewis great work reporting stories. I watched the meeting and you capture the key points and I love your commentary.
Jim Carlisle that site goes at it beyond the meeting and that’s great with the hisortical background on what they are doing and why.
Keep up the great work and keep us informed.
Kitty Pants needs a lawyer fast before she is gone and no one can find her. They just might make her disappear and deny she ever was.
There must be a lawyer who would take up the fight and defend Kitty Pants against the city attorney and police.
Everyone,
In the past, the Burbank Police Commission has operated in the shadows, but no more. The spotlight is on that commission now.
Some of the commissioners have done some jawing about this and that, but now is the time for actions and not just talk.
The city is in trouble. The police commission needs to get to work overseeing the police department and protecting the rights and interests of the city’s citizens.
Doberman,
Thanks for the compliments.
The cat story confuses me. Why wouldn’t the city just get the cat and hand it back to the rightfull owners ? They filed a missing cat report what more did the city expect them, to do ? I am confused about this one because it seeems simple enough to me.
Carma
I think right here is their biggest liability problem
Not to mention that Chief Stehr is the one who presented this information at a time when he is under investigation by the same commission. Talk about conflict of interest!!!
With all the controversy about the Police Department I would think the Police Commission would be doing something. The fact they are not tells me they are a big part of the whole problem.
SM Tena,
It seems simple enough to a lot of us. So you’ll have to ask city officials why they can’t or won’t get Kitty Pants back.
Tomaso,
Sadly, quite a few people share your thinking about the Burbank Police Commission. At this difficult time, the city and its citizens really need a strong police commission, but apparently that is not what we have.
Look at this garbage. Gordon for Mayor how disgusting the only thing that man should do to make this city better is resign. 4-1 4-1 4-1. Yes, you can say he knows something but he doesn’t. John Brady is on probation and is still an active alcoholic.I know this for a fact.
My heart goes out to the owners (as far as I am concerned) of KP. I love that cat.
This is what happens in these comment sections things just brew and brew with no final outcome. It’s always doom and gloom EVERYONE’s involved in the conspiracy… tired of it.
Look y’all can be supporters of whomever you choose. But in two years Anja and Gary (if he wants it) WILL BE REELECTED OVERWHELMINGLY. I would even place a bet on it.
After all who’s going to run against them?…probably that kid or even better! Kimberly Jo -_- she has certainly poofed out of Burbank.
Liked your stories on Michelle Obama and the gas…so much better then local stories when they are often made subjective by the commentators.
JIM.
Jim were you a Stacey Murphy supporter? Sure seems like it. If you so sure nothing is going on, I am relieved to know you will be donating extra money to pay for the many lawsuits. Thanks for your help!
Jim,
The way I see it you make a nice try but your Mayor and your vice mayor didn’t say “John Brady is on probation and is still an active alcoholic.I know this for a fact.”
The mayor and vice mayor along with council member Talamantes said they didn’t like things John Brady said. What was it at least 3 times the mayor called the newpaper to confirm the man said what the mayor didn’t like ?
I didn’t hear the mayor, vice mayor or Councilman Talamantes say what Brady said wasn’t true, they just didn’t like it. Did they ever hear of free speech rights ?
The city is facing acusations that they disregard constitutional rights. We watched the very things the acusations claim from the elected officials of Burbank.
The man is on probation. What are the conditions and requirements stated in the probation ? Is he limited from voting ? Is he required to report for regular tests for drugs or alcohol ? It matters Jim because courts decide what the terms of probation are, not you and not the vice mayor or mayor.
The city handed out an application for police commissioners. The city asked no question about convictions or probations. The city has never asked and never done background checks on potential or even actual commissioners. Then the city through Councilman Talamantes blames Mr Brady for not telling them on the application that he has a dui ? Talk about blaming the failure of the city on the victim, just how often has the city been doing that Jim ? Just how many lawsuits will show we have made mistakes and then blamed the victim.
Don’t be so sure Jim that everything is as the Mayor and Vice mayor want you to think it is. Don’t let Councilman Golonski demand to spread rumors of people’s arrest records, because unless they are conviction records once again you are violating consitutional rights and violating the law. Violating the law is something the 4 in the 4 to 1 are really good at as you will soon be unable to deny.
Jim many of us watch as Councilman Gordon asks the right questions and your 4 in the 4 to 1 don’t even want to listen to the answers. If you are so concerned with the DUI where is your concern with a chief remaining on the job while he is the subject of acusations and investigations ? Not even suspicious Jim that the chief under investigation is the one who whispered the rumor in the city attorneys ear that we don’t want Brady he has a DUI ?
Mayor Bric and Councilman Talamantes were offended that Mr Brady told a reporter that the police chief was working hard to keep his job. So why be so offended by that statement ? Don’t most people work hard to keep their jobs ?
Most people are not under investigation from right and left and on the job in place to keep a little control on what happens in the investigation.
Most people are suspended, take some vacation time and let the investigation move on and the dust settle before returing to work.
Just why has this not been the case with the Burbank Police Department ?
The chief is exercising influence and Mr Brady was the focus of his misused power. A wink and a nod to the city attorney and off goes the memo that in essence says things they don’t even want Mr Brady to see.
If all seems right and good in all of this me thinks you would love to live under a third world dictators regime.
Jim on the next election who knows maybe you will get lucky and Commissioner Bonis and Commissioner Stearns Nesan will run against Mayor Bric and Vice Mayor Renke and bring all their expertise in keeping things right from the Burbank Police Commission as Police Commissioners who have the highest standards and highest regard for the law.
Fronnie and Sm Tena the city has a problem with the cat because the city blew it and has a real problem ever admitting any mistake they make. Sure it sounds simple to say we goofed and correct the goof but for people who believe they are God things are not as simple as doing the we goofed.
Voting for Mr Bric and Ms Reinke a couple of years ago does not mean that we will vote for them again now. Before they were representing us we did not face the issues that we do now and to be frank they are obviously not up to the job.
The stories about Michele Obama sure are great Jim, they keep us from facing the injustice to people right here at home. It’s so much nicer to keep our eyes on the beans as they grow and the cute kids brought in to pick them. LOL. Sure Jim we should focus on a flower in a garden and let the poor people just suffer right on with the 4 to 1!
Everyone,
Great discussion this morning. Opinionated and informative.
By the way, this is not a one issue blog. It reflects my various interests and concerns.
imagine Anja Reinke as President of the United States, now that is scary!
Just ask yourself why the rank and file cops, who protect the city came out in support of Councilman Gordon and not in support of Commissioner Niesan.
Keep the drum beat going all is fine, it’s the 4 to 1 votes that are the issue. It just brings out more and more of the real facts.
This is Now Playing on You Tube! Spread the word.
http://www.youtube.com/burbankwatchdog
Jim Carlile,
Just happened to be reading The Burbank Leader website and spotted your letter about the Burbank City Council’s decision to kick John Brady off the police commission in the mailbag section http://www.burbankleader.com/articles/2009/06/20/opinion/letters/blr-mailbag20.txt
Your letter is well done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNuEadnHULQ&feature=channel
I can watch the vice mayor over and over again and still need a translator for what she says.
Disclaimer: I do not know personally any of the people involved in the Brady brouhaha. That said, it seems to me that almost everybody involved has been wrong in one way or another. Mr. Brady should have disclosed his probation status when applying for the Commission. While it was not strictly speaking required, it seems kind of a no-brainer that it would have been a factor.
However, having elected him to the Commission, to summarily remove him after a lot of devious and “secret” communications, some of which apparently he was not allowed to see or respond to, seems just as bad if not worse.
I just watched some of the clips on YouTube, and I find it interesting that Ms. Reinke objects to a perceived “threat” from Mr. Brady, and then closes her comments with what amounts to a threat to him should he pursue legal action against the city or the Council.
Think about this for a second.
The council let’s citizens serve at the council’s pleasure on boards and commissions.
What exactly in that policy would prevent or even protect any individual from being a target because say a council majority was opposed to an asian or even a black member of the public being on any board or commission ?
The ‘at our pleasure’ with no limitation seems to me to have no safe guards against unacceptable behavior from councilmembers. The system has no safeguards and is designed like we are a banana republic with a third rate dictatorship.
Watched the YOUTUBE’S they go beyond slimy in all the insinuations they make and Anja Reinke acts scared the guy just might sue her. She acts scared about that like she knows she did wrong. It’s messed up watching our leaders in action because you see just how dishonest they really are.
Pat I have the same issue with them and what they do everything is ultra secret with the secret attorney man always making everything classified.
What they really should do is pull the plug on the secrecy about everything and just come clean. Right now I think they all have tons of stuff to hide and act dirty just to keep their secrets secret.
Great job uploading those clips on Youtube. One request can you upload the chief and the city attorney jumping around saying they told each other rumors and then wrote the rumors up in a secret document and passed it along to the council as if it were fact.
That’s a very important part of this story of the Burbank City Council and their shenanegans.
People need to write letters to the State Attorney General, District Congressman, and Office of the Grand Jury. It is the only way to get some outside oversight into Burbank and make sure justice is served.
Public outcry is great, but until directed pressure is sent to the above agencies, nothing will happen.
If nothing is done, one day we will all be asking “What ever happened to all those problems the police department was having?” Swept away under some carpet. I think they are running out of rugs by now.
Out of rugs ? Dribe by the Police Headquarters and it looks like their whole building is falling down. Foundation rot is what I heard.
Everyone,
Nice discussion of the issues and that You Tube video. I wonder if that video will make some Burbank City Council members and staff a little more careful about what they say and do during televised council meetings.
Pat, Disgusted Citizen, the Vampire,
I’m still bothered as well by that “secret document,” which apparently convicted Brady in the eyes of most of the city council. Yet, Brady and the public are being denied access to that all important document.
Tim R.,
You know that phrase, “at our pleasure” has bugged me as well. It sounds like something used by royality or yes, a dictator.
I agree with you, Brady was targeted. This should be reason enough to set down guidelines or a policy limiting the power of the city council to boot someone off a board or commission.
Carma,
I think you are right. It’s going to take actions from the citizens of Burbank to get to the bottom of the mess and to clean it up.
On the YouTube clips here is what I see and hear.
Vice Mayor Reinke is mad that she lost friends and she blames this man for her own actions that lost her friends.
Mayor Bric is upset his own driving under the influence came up. Face it he drove drunk but it’s worse from what he says, he did it many times and didn’t think he had a problem, the problem he said was getting caught. Now what he says is a great indication that he learned nothing and denies his problem even today.
Councilman Tamalantes is mad he is in this situation. He blames the man for that and keeps crying about his due dillegence.
At the bottom line none of the three admit the man didn’t do anything wrong. Their application didn’t ask about things like a DUI. I am bothered that none of them accept the blame for what they failed to even ask. Some due dillegence.
There is a real problem of power with this serving at the pleasure stuff because there seems to be no guidlines as to what the pleasure has to be gauged by. I think there is room for real abuse of power in that because it has no accountability and would agree that it leaves room for actions that would normally be prohibited by law. Imagine if people have been bypassed due to their religious beliefs, sexual preferences, race or even colour. How would we know if this has or has not been a common practice of the city council when the only standard is this vague at our pleasure.
Mz Lewis is right it sounds like royalty or worse a dictator. Do we have a monarchy in Burbank ?
What the Mayor said really bothers me. In his own words:
‘In 1996 I received a DUI. In all honesty it was pure stupidity on my part. I have said before it’s not the one I got, it was the 100’s I didn’t get, and that’s the honest to Gods truth.”
“I didn’t think I had a problem I don’t think I have a problem today I just did something stupid one time no no I take it back not one time I did it numerous times but I did get caught and thats the biggest problem.”
This makes me have all kinds of questions about the mayor and my doubts and questions come right from his own words about driving under the influence.
Hey Carma
Say people write to the state and the feds exactly what do you want them to say ? To me the ones that should do this at this point are the people who have direct evidence and not the people who have suspicions and feelings that what they are watching is wrong. Suggestions ?
Councilman Talamantes brings up that Brady was arrested by the Burbank Police so he has a conflict. That makes me wonder did the Burbank Police arrest the mayor for dirving drunk ? If they did under Councilman Talamantes thinking the mayor also has a conflict. So just who arrested the mayor ?
No matter what anyone may say for me there is a double standard when the mayor can have his DUI and the commissioner must be removed for his DUI. There is one simple reality here. Both the mayor and the commissioner are convicted drunk drivers.
Flippification, Jake F., member of the SAG,
Good points.
Ann,
You are right. The bottom line is both Burbank Mayor Gary Bric and former police commissioner John Brady have DUIs on their records.
Ann the mayor has a criminal record that’s how it is.
Burbank Police from You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0RWTau_2V0&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cx5vvBYxO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cx5vvBYxO0
Look at the crowds of shoppers, quick arrest the man before he buys something!
Ann
Not all criminal records and not all DUI’s are equal. Some get you to be mayor and otherz get you blamed for the problems of the world.
Does anybody know what the requirements are to remove a mayor and vice mayor in Burbank ?
Maybe we should think about doing whatever it takes to remove them before they have the chance to make everything even worse.
The city council members vote for who is mayor the same way they voted for who is on the commission. After Mayor Brics flipant reponse regarding his drinking and driving perhaps we can hope that Mz Reinke shows some integrity and makes the move to remove Mayor Bric from the mayor’s seat because it sends the wrong message. I will not be holding my breath for this to happen but it should in all fairness.
First, a lot of good posts and debate. Thank you Fronnie for your dedication and hard work.
Second, I’d like to post something about moral turpitude. It’s confusing at best as it seems to depend on the case and some instances State law. It has one definition for purpose of immigration status and I also found this answer on wikianswers.com. See URLs below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_DUI_a_form_of_Moral_Turpitude&src=ansTT
You know I was very puzzled when the Vice Mayor
kept talking about Moral Turpitude, and mis- pronouncing the word as well I might add. I had never heard that a DUI was an actual Moral Rurpitude offense and after reading this she certainly was wrong about it. When the attorney was unable to pronounce it correctly I became very suspicious that she had no idea what she was saying. I was correct.
Great link! From reading what is and what is not a crime of moral turpitude it sounds like the city is the one who is guilty of this kind of crime to me.
Crimes of moral turpitude
Fraud:
Making false representation
Knowledge of such false representation by the perpetrator
Reliance on the false representation by the person defrauded
An intent to defraud
The actual act of committing fraud
Religious freedom and Free speech rights in Burbank, California documented. No smoking, No speaking, No religion in Beautiful Downtown Burbank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OayEqfT4iqs
And the Burbank Police come back to tell the man he can speak but he must be quiet. What about the loud music you her ? I like how the officer blinds the camera with his flashlight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUWVjbz59c&feature=related
and some more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OayEqfT4iqs&feature=channel
Hey Arman those are great videos. I can’t believe a Burbank Police Officer defined free speech as ‘you can talk so long as you don’t disturb the peace of others”
Don’t get me wrong I really don’t like the guy selling his version of religion but I like even less the officer selling his interpretation of free speech.
All the music and noise I hear in that video is also disturbing the peace of others so get real on this definition of free speech.
There were other sites giving different definitions of moral turpitude which made it confusing. If you are curious, do more research and you will find what I did which was why I said it was confusing at best and it is interrpreted differently in different states.
At the meeting where they went after John Brady, Anja said that she would feel better if he had joined a 12 step program. I researched AA and found a brochure titled 44 questions. Part of the success to stop drinking going through the program is how much effort the person puts forth and even if one is in a 12 step program, there are missteps they call “slips.” Of course, Anja failed on that too when she told Brady she’d feel better if he was in a 12 step program. Here’s the link to the website.
http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-2_44questions.pdf
Sorry for the double post, I had a computer glitch.
Responsibility
Do you know if the mayor is in a 12 step program ?
A Burbank Police Commissioner on modern technology, rare appearance in public and nominated for an academy award.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xUIXmSVSg&feature=channel_page
Responsibility,
No problem with the double post. I’ve had that happen before. I corrected it. You’re providing some good data on moral turpitude.
Also, I didn’t really get why Council Member Reinke said she would feel better if John Brady was in a 12 step program.
For all the outrage and drama on this board – has anyone at all filed a grievance w/ the Police Commission – or even attended one of their meetings? Highly doubtful. While we all want the council to address the Chief of Police’s methods, the city council needs to be very careful. If it’s obvious they do not stand behind him it will become fodder for the ongoing lawsuit and could cost Burbank millions of dollars. I agree that this entire episode needs to be aired out completely, but the lawsuit simply complicates every action the council takes at the moment. I think those that are praising Dr. Gordon might think twice when his words are used to bolster the plaintiff’s lawsuit and ultimately cost us all quite a bit of money (AKA services). When that pothole isn’t fixed or that red light isn’t synchronized due to budget shortfalls then will you be praising Dr. Gordon’s “brave stand”?
Al in So Cal
Could you please provide the link for all of us as to exactly what the process is for filing anything with the Burbank Police Commission ?
Maybe you didn’t folow the discussion for all that long but no one has been able to find anything about this Burbank Police Commission, what it does or how to get it to do anything at all. If you found the Police Commission grevience form maybe you can share it with all of us.
Oh and Al, good luck finding the form lol
It occurs to me that if the council (and police commission) had done things to correct the situation a few years back, there would not even be the lawsuits now. Don’t forget the lawsuits are being filed by the cities own employees due to a lack of response to complaints that have been filed and reported.
So – Tim are you saying you went to the meeting? I bet the answer is no – have you gone to City Hall and asked? I bet the answer is no. Do you need everything spoon fed to you?
The police commission both by the newly approved city charter and by city code has a list of what their responsibilities are. I will tell you that the Police Department argued against changing the City Charter, but it was still put into place by the Charter Review Committee. The Police Commission can and will investigate items brought to them. You do have to bring the issue in front of the commission though – or is that too much work?
Here is the info straight from the city charter which matches the city code:
SECTION 705. POLICE COMMISSION. (a) There
shall be a Police Commission, the size and membership
of which are to be determined by the Council.
(b) The Police Commission shall have the following
powers and duties:
1. To initiate studies and surveys in the general
field of police science and law enforcement and report its
findings and recommendations to the Council;
2. To conduct hearings, investigations, or both, at
the request of the Council for the purpose of ascertaining
whether additional legislation is needed for the health,
safety, peace and welfare of the inhabitants of the City
and to make findings and recommendations to the
Council;
3. To act in an advisory capacity to the Council
on policy matters pertaining to the Police Department of
the City;
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4. To receive complaints, except those relating to
traffic engineering, pertaining to the Police Department
and law enforcement in general;
5. To examine books, papers, records and
accounts in the Police Department, other than confidential
matters under investigation.
(c) The Council or the City Manager may assign other
powers and duties to the Commission as they shall deem
appropriate.
From what I can understand about all of this mess, had the city or police commission or council done something over the past few years the lawsuits would not have been filed. What troubles me is the lawsuits are filed by the cities own employees (police officers) precisely due to the fact that nothing was or has been done to correct problems. So I am at a loss how ongoing denial really helps because it looks like denial is what got us here to begin with.
Everything looks to me like police officers did try to bring the problems to the attention of the right people and the right people did nothing. If that’s accurate then the public has found out rather late and I don’t see that as the publics fault.
Fronnie thank you and maybe Anja will explain to all of us why she felt better if Brady was in a 12 step program.
Johnny, no I don’t know if the Mayor is or was in a 12 step program. I don’t remember if he said and nobody asked as far as I remember.
Al in So Cal your first comment was ‘has anyone at all filed a grievance w/ the Police Commission -‘
I asked you to find the greivence form for all of us, filing something would imply that there is a form or did I miss something here ?
You cited a whole lot of stuff, but where is the grevience form ?
I didn’t say spoon feed anyone, I said people have searched for the process to file complaints etc and have not found the process for that. You cited they do this or do that but none of that tells anyone just how to file the request.
Do I take it you didn’t find the form to file then ?
Al in SoCal,
I have attended a Burbank Police Commission meeting. Even the city staff has admitted the notices for the commission meetings have not been so easy for the public to find —something they plan to change.
This issue has been discussed here.
Have you attended one of their meetings? Also, I don’t think the opinions of Councilman Gordon will be fodder for the lawsuits. From what I can tell, Councilman Gordon has not been named in any of the lawsuits, however, the Burbank Police Department, its police chief, some of the department brass, and the city of Burbank have.
While he may not be named in the lawsuit, his comments – as are evident on this comment page can / and would be used to express doubts about the police department via the press. Even though I might agree there are problems in our police department the last thing I want to see is a multi-million dollar judgment lodged against our city. This lawsuit complicates what the council can do during this time. Whatever actions they take will be highly scrutinized by the lawyers in the case. Without the lawsuit I would hope an open and transparent investigation should take place, with the lawsuit they are protecting Burbank’s coffers by appearing to ignore why the information on Brady was magically appropriated. David Gordon’s brave stand is to put his finger in the wind, listen to the speakers and vote accordingly. It’s much tougher when you actually care about the consequences of your actions.
Our City Clerk (great person) has an email address and her office is aware of all meetings, and board functions.
To answer your question – no the form is not on the internet – is that what you wanted to hear? You can’t download the form, fill it in, email it back within 5 minutes because filing a grievance is a serious action, and as such might require you actually make an effort to file one.
http://www.ci.burbank.ca.us/cityclerk/contact%20us.htm
I definitely think the information should be more forthcoming, but I don’t know if the grievance process should be as easy as an internet form emailed in.
Al in SoCal,
Many residents in Burbank are just becoming aware of the city’s police commission and what it is supposed to do. That awareness means they are asking questions, which is their right.
So when was the last time you attended a Burbank Police Commission meeting? Did members of the public make comments at the meeting you attended? Was there a printed agenda for the meeting there for the public?
Al,
I spoke with our City Clerk alomst a month ago. In reality she is not responsible for the notices as to when and where the Police Commission meets nor is she responsible for the agenda, minutes or anything else regarding the police commission.
My conversation with her was in an attempt to locate the meeting dates of the commission, location of meetings and their agenda.
I attended the last meeting of the police commission and there were no copies of the agenda for the public and while the meeting was convened there was an immediate motion to close it. Members of the public were never even asked if any of them had come to address the commission at all.
Al said:
To answer your question – no the form is not on the internet – is that what you wanted to hear? You can’t download the form, fill it in, email it back within 5 minutes because filing a grievance is a serious action, and as such might require you actually make an effort to file one.
Tim asked:
I asked you to find the greivence form for all of us, filing something would imply that there is a form or did I miss something here ?
You cited a whole lot of stuff, but where is the grevience form ?
I did not say it needs to be online to file, I asked where is it ? I still have no clue who has it and where they are located. Are you so sure that there is a grevience form that can be filed with the police commission ? Have you seen it ?
Al In So Cal
Maybe you missed this discussion and maybe you don’t watch Council Meetings all that often but here is the link from the city website about the Police Commission. People even brought up the fact that it is so unclear about when it meets, saying on call by the chief here on the blog and at city council meetings. You just might want to look at how it still says that even today yet they updated who is on the commission they never updated when it meets. Looks to me like they want to keep that sercret.
http://www.ci.burbank.ca.us/cityclerk/appointments.htm#police
Of course it is a right to ask questions. We should ask questions and board / commission meetings should be open and transparent. I’m certainly not trying to take that away. I have never attended a Police Commission meeting, although I was on the Charter Review Committee. On that committee we added those provisions I noted as a way to empower the Police Commission to be more autonomous – not less.
I actually had no idea that the meetings weren’t posted online – or the agendas. I would hope that this will be resolved sooner rather than later.
I’m not trying to say everything is good – it’s just jumping on the complaint bandwagon is very easy. I remember discussing the Police Commission at length and noting that the commissioners that spoke to our committee noted that there hadn’t had a grievance to investigate “in years”.
Even during the Charter Review Committee process public participation was light (REALLY light) – and that process was out in the open. Our committee had the power to adapt the code so that all the points being talked about here could have been addressed, but only 1 or 2 folks came out to speak about it, and many more (from the PD) came out to speak against it. We at last had to compromise on the solution I noted. However had all these people above shown up things might have been different.
Many people who claim to be so interested in the drama playing out are simply Dr. Gordon cheerleaders who I think are more interested in giving props to Dr. Gordon, than actually caring about the Police Commission process. That’s just what I’m gleaming from the comments anyhow.
I would love to know how you went to the meetings if it’s so difficult to find the information? Apparently the information does live somewhere – correct?
>>So when was the last time you attended a Burbank Police Commission meeting? Did members of the public make comments at the meeting you attended? Was there a printed agenda for the meeting there for the public?
Al explain this comment PLEASE!
This lawsuit complicates what the council can do during this time. Whatever actions they take will be highly scrutinized by the lawyers in the case. Without the lawsuit I would hope an open and transparent investigation should take place, with the lawsuit they are protecting Burbank’s coffers by appearing to ignore why the information on Brady was magically appropriated.
You confused me here because they did their own outside investigation before the lawsuits were filed to try and say there were no problems. I am lost why you think without the lawsuits they would be transparent when they were not transparent before the lawsuits were filed.
Al,
After Commissioner Gunn apeared at the council meeting speaking about how people should come to Police Commission Meetings I began my quest to attend the next meeting.
After finding it impossible to locate the precise date and time or even location of the meeting I emailed our City Manager and asked for help.
Our City Manager directed the police department to contact me and let me know when the meeting was set for and where.
Not intended as a negative comment on our City Manager in any way this is how I finally found the when and the where of the next meeting.
I would say this is somehwhat puzziling given the fact this is an open brown act meeting. I do not believe most members of the public would be able to locate the information at all, and I honestly do not think most members of the public would look to the city charter or the municipal code for information about one of our boards or commissions. The reality is, while information on other boards and commissions is easy to locate, for some reason information on the police commission is designed to be difficult to find. That leaves me to ask why as it is in such stark contrast to our usual policy about meeting information.
By the way Al, I attended some of the Charter Review meetings as well.
Why do you think it was not transparent? Is it because they thought there was no wrong doing? I don’t know the answer if this investigation was on the up and up. I’m saying that with litigation comes tons of legal advice on what they should / should not say. This obviously complicates matters.
What are your reasons for thinking the previous investigation was not transparent? Could it be that there really was no wrongdoing? I can’t answer that question – and I’m thinking unless you know some inside information neither can you.
>>I am lost why you think without the lawsuits they would be transparent when they were not transparent before the lawsuits were filed.
Al in SoCal,
As you well know, the information is available somewhere. I tracked it down. I don’t think that should be the case. The city staff agrees and is moving to change it.
I find it interesting that you have “never attended a Police Commission meeting.” Yet you have some strong feelings about the commission and you are expressing them here.
I don’t think other commenters should be required to attend a police commission meeting in order to have an opinion about that commission and its duties.
You need to find out more about what is/has been going on.
Legal advice to cover asses did not start with any lawsuits. It’s what caused lawsuits in the first place.
I’m glad to say all our meetings were well publicized and open. I don’t like that the Police Commission meetings are not.
A note to everyone here – the Council can strengthen the Police Commission’s responsibilities above and beyond what the Charter and current code provides. I certainly hope they do because that was what the hope was of moving that section of the code into the City Charter – a way of solidifying minimum responsibilities which the Council cannot take away.
Public participation is key, and simply harping on decision after decision in blogs or messageboards is not the way to go about changing things. Empty meetings (other than committee members) are abound in Burbank.
>>By the way Al, I attended some of the Charter Review meetings as well.
That was not the point I was trying to make. Simply the “yeah boss”, “me too” comments. Many on the Police Commission have been there for years, and to hear all the comments about them, and their commission after years of paying no attention at all – to me is outrageous. They have been volunteering for the city, making the meetings, etc – and it’s so easy to kick back w/ a beer in an armchair and whine “where is the form, where is the form.” Make an effort – jeez.
Send an email – send a letter, go to City Hall – apply to be on the Commission – do “something”.
>>I don’t think other commenters should be required to attend a police commission meeting in order to have an opinion about that commission and its duties.
Empty meetings abound in Burbank ?
Some of those meetings we might just watch on television if they bother to televise them.
Some are stacked with ‘yes men’ so why would anyone waste their time. Don’t blame the people for thinking lots of these meetings are a waste of time, blame the people who made their minds up before the meeting even started.
Thanks for making this point
Many on the Police Commission have been there for years, and to hear all the comments about them, and their commission after years of paying no attention at all – to me is outrageous.
Now tell me what they ever did on this commission. Your worried about lawsuits costing money right ? How come we have lawsuits if they did such a great job ?
True the City Council or the City Manager can strengthen the Police Commissions role but do you really see that happening any time soon ?
Don’t forget that group can’t even get their meeting dates right on the city web page.
Al in SoCal,
Change begins in many places. Plenty of recent movements have started or been fueled by discussions on blogs and message boards. You may not like it Al, but that’s the way it is.
Oh, by the way you are now participating in the so called “harping” on this blog. You must think your comments are of value because you have take the time to post them here — just as others have done.
Good – then why all the grief. They were caught obviously unprepared and now are working to fix it (your words).
Apparently years of no public comments, no grievances, and probably just sitting down – doing roll call and then adjourning has taken it’s toll. Now it appears like it will be fixed – hopefully quickly.
It seems we all agree that the Police Commission is on it’s way to becoming the commission we all would like like to see.
>>As you well know, the information is available somewhere. I tracked it down. I don’t think that should be the case. The city staff agrees and is moving to change it.
Fix it , hopefully quickly ?
None of this is new. All of this has been ongoing for a few years. Nothing has been fixed and now they are in damage control plain and simple.
If you are having a panic attack about what has come out so far, grab an aspirin and get ready because not only is it not fixed it’s about to get even worse.
Utterly missing the point. Sure we can post our opinions like this. It’s a great way to exchange ideas and spark a grassroots movement. My point is that in addition to crying “where is the form” on a blog you can and should:
1. Go to a meeting – you found out the information – anyone can – and yes I agree it should be more open (for the 10th time)
2. Calling City Hall – yes that means being on hold, getting transferred – becoming frustrated.
3. Emailing city clerk – that would have been one of my steps.
Try to see my point of view. People should get off the duff and figure it out. Even after all that I think it should be easier to find out the Police Commission information (for the 11th time).
>>Change begins in many places. Plenty of recent movements have started or been fueled by discussions on blogs and message boards. You may not like it Al, but that’s the way it is.
Where were you when the Police Commission was being discussed? I’m sick of the “I’ve done nothing at all to change thing,s but I love to complain about them” attitude.
Do something about it besides whining and complaining! Make a statement, go to a meeting, go somewhere – do something.
Like this comment: “None of this is new. All of this has been ongoing for a few years. Nothing has been fixed and now they are in damage control plain and simple.”
Mr friend you have no idea who has used what channels to address the problems in this city.
As I have said before, you should buy extra aspirin, if youi have a headache now just wait that extra bottle will come in very usefull.
Don’t we elect people to take care of the day to day operation of the city ? Don’t we have many paid employees to run things on a day to day basis ?
Why would you expect the public to watch them everyday? However, once the public begins to realize they have not been doing this in proper order how would you expect the public would not be very upset ?
It appears to me we have paid a lot of money to people who have not been doing the right things at this point.
We have a right to be angry.
Simply because they don’t have the meetings posted or grievance form online? Apparently that is being fixed right now and we can all take a breath.
What other than the meeting times / grievance form posting upsets you so much?
Here I can say this “Nothing is being done right.” It’s a similar comment “the network is running slow” etc etc etc. These types of comments get lots of agreement, but really don’t mean much without some specifics. What specifically are you upset over?
>>Why would you expect the public to watch them everyday? However, once the public begins to realize they have not been doing this in proper order how would you expect the public would not be very upset ?
I do watch City Council meetings on channel 6 and I was at a council meeting before. That being said it is very clear that they really don’t want to hear from people at all.
How many times have they talked about cutting back on public feedback because it wastes their time ? I hear the current mayor say things like talk fast we have this many cards. The last mayor had his speaker on deck come to the front chair issues.
I don’t think they really want us at their meetings at all. In honesty I do not feel welcome or wanted there so I stay home and watch them and yell at my television.
Al are you for real ? Have you been following the news ? It’s not just Mrs Espinosa talking about racism now it’s our own Burbank Police officers.
Mrs Espinosa has attended metings for years talking about racism and no one did anything. Now it’s officers talking about what has been happening and you expect everyone to be happy with the leadership here in Burbank ?
What you want to bet Burbank could do a survey and tell us all everything is perfect in Burbank.
Like President Obama’s movement it’s the blogs that show up them government survey’s and the government news.
Nah you miss the point people are talking and people are catching on with what’s been going down. Time for some serious change.
I really hope Esther Espinosa (as cool as she was in the past) is not the spokesperson on racism in Burbank. I might be naive, but I think the council does want to hear from people. They might complain sometimes, but they have not cut down the time. You might also give them a bit of latitude as they have to hear a combined 8 minutes of public comments from each person.
Maybe the lawsuit will help – I don’t know if the police here are racist or not. I’ve never had any problems (I’m not white), but that’s not saying much. We don’t know the specifics, we don’t know the whole story. I’ll take a wait and see attitude, but if there is racism I hope it’s rooted out.
>>Al are you for real ? Have you been following the news ? It’s not just Mrs Espinosa talking about racism now it’s our own Burbank Police officers.
It’s like I’m living in an alternate reality. Are things really that bad in Burbank? I simply don’t see it. Yes the Police Commission items are bad – but that’s being resolved.
What is so awful? Am I the only happy resident of Burbank? It would seem so.
>>Time for some serious change.
Never read anyone just upset about a grevience form on line or off infact no one ever mentioned that until today when someone said people here should file one. Problem was the person who made that suggestion didn’t know where to get one and nobody else did either.
The poor Police Commissioners, they just didn’t know what to do unless people came and told them. I didn’t see that in their guidlines that were listed. What I saw was that they as commissioners were
1. To initiate studies and surveys in the general
field of police science and law enforcement and report its
findings and recommendations to the Council;
So how many studies have they initiated in the last two years ? Or does the public need to come down and tell them they should be doing that ?
For someone who is worried about lawsuits costing millions I think you must know more about what all has happened than you admit. Lawsuits are not exactly a sign that everything is fine in Burbank, especially when it’s your own police officers suing you lol.
Give it some time Al what you don’t see now will be right there and undeniable in time.
Interesting – I don’t know. I wanted a tough police commission, and there were a few of us that wanted it, but we were outvoted during the meeting.
I wonder what is meant by “initiate studies and surveys in the general field of police science …”
Commissioner Gunn did not want the Police Commission’s responsibilities to be enhanced. You can find his comments to the Charter Review Committee here:
http://www.ci.burbank.ca.us/charterreview/Minutes04-10-06.pdf
>>After Commissioner Gunn apeared at the council meeting speaking about how people should come to Police Commission Meetings I began my quest to attend the next meeting.
>>So how many studies have they initiated in the last two years ? Or does the public need to come down and tell them they should be doing that ?
Of Course he didn’t Al. So why would you suspect he didn’t want that, oh and think about his recent email when you answer that one.
Oh and Al just how badly did Commissioner Bonis want a ‘tough police commission “
I see – is that the warning sign – a police lawsuit? Burbank is not perfect by any means, but a police lawsuit doesn’t mean the sky is falling. What I am saying is Burbank is quite a bit better than many on this board make it seem. Just the fact that there IS a Police Commission should be noted. Just the fact that a few phone calls from the person who wrote this story gets some action from the City Manager.
Do you think that would happen in a few other cities?
>>Lawsuits are not exactly a sign that everything is fine in Burbank, especially when it’s your own police officers suing you
You’re right – she was not in favor of it. All our votes are public. She was on the Charter Review Committee as well. Robert Frutos was in favor of a tougher commission though – and he is vice-charperson of the current Police Commission.
I could not understand why members of the Police Commission wouldn’t want more responsibilities.
>>Oh and Al just how badly did Commissioner Bonis want a ‘tough police commission “
Yes Al and that is the point of my questions. You may not watch council meetings, but recently Gunn did come and ‘taunt’ the public to come to commission meetings. Yet he did not want a ‘tough’ commission just as you stated.
Commissioner Bonis also has not wanted a ‘tough’ commission yet both of them have been on the commission for a while now.
TAhink about the problems, think about the scenario of who you know has expressed they want less than a ‘tough’ or effective police commission. Some of your answers are right there, and you have the information to show this is not new at all. Yet serous problems have sprung from all of it.
For everyone wanting to know how to file a grievance I would ask the city attorney (yes I think it should be easier to find out for the 13th time) – but absent that at the moment this would be my next stop:
“In response to Committee questions,
Mr. Barlow explained that state law requires that cities have a policy to address citizen
complaints, regardless of whether cities have a Police Commission.”
Al you are talking about internal affairs complaints. Those are filed direct with the department and are not part of the Police Commission.
We have a Police Commission, no one knows what they do.
I don’t think there is any conspiracy…. Nothing like that. I think some of them liked their little commission w/o much responsibility.
>>Think about the problems, think about the scenario of who you know has expressed they want less than a ‘tough’ or effective police commission. Some of your answers are right there, and you have the information to show this is not new at all. Yet serous problems have sprung from all of it.
When did I say conspiracy ? I am simply pointing out things YOU know for you to stop and think about. I did not tell you what to think about them. Stop being defensive,
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Would that imply they would rather not be disturbed and forced to work by the pesky public ? Would that mean they just may not really be very warm and fuzzy to the public ?
Being lazy should mean they have no place on a board or commission in my view but Nope leave them there to discourage the public and keep things nice and quiet.
I’m not being defensive….
Look what you said “Think about the problems, think about the scenario of who you know has expressed they want less than a ‘tough’ or effective police commission”
What are you trying to say? Come right out and say what you mean. I got the vibe you were saying it was some kind of conspiracy.
>>When did I say conspiracy ? I am simply pointing out things YOU know for you to stop and think about. I did not tell you what to think about them. Stop being defensive,
What I was trying to say is what I said. You know somepeople opposed a more effective police commission, you know those same people are in the middle of the turmoil today, so why do you think they opposed a more effective commission. It’s a question Al and not suggesting anything at all.
Point taken.
Good debate – good points. I see both angles of this debate. It’s pretty bad about the lack of information on the Police Commission.
I am happy that there is a good source of information other than the usual suspects (burbank leader, etc).
>>What I was trying to say is what I said. You know somepeople opposed a more effective police commission, you know those same people are in the middle of the turmoil today, so why do you think they opposed a more effective commission. It’s a question Al and not suggesting anything at all.
Hey Al no problem, it’s not really all just about attacking or criticizing it’s about people being frustrated with real problems and a system that seems to be non rtesponsive. I agree great to have more of a source for info than just the Leader. Here there’s a give and take and that’s what discussion is all about. Enjoy the night man.