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Water a hot issue at the Burbank City Council meeting

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We’re deep in the heat of a Southern California summer with temperatures  reaching over 100 degrees on many days. So what does the Burbank City Council do?  Last Tuesday, they voted to slap stiffer restrictions on water use. Hopefully, the council will reconsider this decision when the issue comes back for a final review. 

At this week’s city council meeting, Dr. David Gordon was the only council member to speak out strongly about the timing of the new restrictions and the impact on the public. Dr. Gordon voted “no.”  However, the rest of the city council, Mayor Gary Bric, Vice-Mayor Anja Reinke, and Council member Dave Golonski voted “yes.”  Councilman Jess Talamantes  was not present.

The  new restrictions would bump Burbank up to stage two of its Sustainable Water Use Ordinance. This would mean residents could turn on their yard sprinklers 15 minutes per station, only on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. There is much debate about whether this is adequate to keep lawns green, trees and other vegetation thriving.  Earlier, when Burbank water rates were jacked up, some residents decided just to let their lawns go brown.

Burbank Water and Power has more on the new restrictions and the reported water supply crisis on its website.

You know, I think it’s clear to everyone that our yards need more water in the blustering heat of the summer than during the winter when the temperatures are much cooler and we get rain. So why don’t city officials and Burbank Water and Power experts cut residents some slack when they need the water the most —in the summer???

Also, I gotta wonder if the city is cutting back on watering public lawns and vegetation? You would think this would be the FIRST step in reducing the city’s water use. At city council meetings, some citizens have pointed out that certain city lawns have the appearance of being soaked with water despite the new restrictions.

In a related case, I’ve heard that a faulty sprinkler system flooded the Burbank city jail not once, but three times in the past month. Each time, 800 gallons or so of water was lost. Apparently the problem has been fixed, but geeh, it took a while. If the city is cracking down on residents to conserve water, the least it can do is lead by example in this matter. 

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72 Responses to Water a hot issue at the Burbank City Council meeting

  1. stretch Friday, September 4, 2009 at 7:21 pm #

    “Lead by example”, “Cut people some slack” “Gordon voted no.” This sounds like the same old song and dance. What do you expect from a bunch of self serving politicians? I would say “crooks”, but criminals might get mad.

    Besides they have better things to worry about like trying to stay out of jail! Check this out.

  2. Fronnie Friday, September 4, 2009 at 9:32 pm #


    Yeah, I read Jim Carlile’s blog post on those grand jury subpoenas. The city council has a lot to worry about with all of these investigations, lawsuits, and scandal. However, they still need to look out for the interest of the citizens of this city on many fronts — including water rates and allocations.

  3. Manny Ramirez Saturday, September 5, 2009 at 9:57 pm #

    Yeah, a lot of hot air from Jim Carlile. There were sooo many grand jury subpoenas sent out to the the people he had stated. Mr. Carlile should really get his facts straight before posting his BS. So far that is what it is. We could include Stretch as being a BS poster from his untrue post.

  4. Al in SoCal Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 2:00 am #

    I came here hoping to find a story about Dr. Gordon’s apparent conflict of interest – apparently that’s not newsworthy here.

    Fronnie – the answer to your questions is YES – the city should cut their own water usage, but water is short in these times. LA has cut back – and so should we. A perfect green lawn takes quite a bit of water

    Try the front page of LA DWP:

    Here’s how to calculate how much water it really takes to make your lawn nice and lush in an arid desert (socal) in the summer: (66G for 1 inch of water for a 10′ X 10′ plot of grass) – LOTS right?

    Wow – is this a differing opinion? I’m sure I’ll be BLASTED for it – but oh well.

  5. Edward Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 12:07 pm #

    The city should turn all it’s water off period if water is so short. I don’t believe that it’s really short at all, and once they rasie the rates to what they want it will be as plentifull as gasoline.

    Remember hearing over the years we will run out of oil ? That’s the claim and the prices rise and once the prices are set high we have more than enough oil for years to come.

    They need to get over this CRY SHORTAGE approach to raising prices. The shortage is just a shortage of money for the big guys and all us little guys get to add to their riches, once we do there will be enough water for everything.

    Here’s the challenge. If there really is such a big water shortage, fill every swimming pool with dirt and stop wasting water for pools. Cut all water to all city owned landscape. You would save enough to run a small city with just those two moves.

  6. Ann Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 12:41 pm #

    Edward I remember just a few years ago when we were in a so called electric shortage crisis. Amazingly enough they kept building bigger and bigger buildings that used more and more electric but they raised the rates a few times and BAM no more shortage. You are right I believe once they get us convinced of a shortage they raise our rates and then everything is fine. They really think we are stupid, sadly many people are stupid and fall for this everytime.

  7. Fronnie Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 12:43 pm #


    Some interesting comments.

    Al of SoCal,

    I don’t work for you. So if there is a story you are burning to talk about then write it yourself.

    I’m sure it’s pretty clear to most folks that there is a lot of news out there and no way can all of it be covered on my blog.

    Oh Al, when you make some good points, which you do about the water situation, chances are you’ll not be as you say “BLASTED for it.” Still, if you want to have your opinions agreed with 100 percent then posting on a blog is probably not the thing for you to do.

  8. Reese Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 12:45 pm #

    It isn’t rocket science to understand that when you do nothing to stop illegal immigration and allow over building you will eventually run out of essentials like water.

    It also isn’t rocket science to see they still are not doing anything about illegal imigration and large scale building continue to be built, all of which will demand more essentials like water which they claim we are running out of.

    They want us to run out of everything, they plan to reduce us to a poor impoverished nation.

    Just how much water is used at the mayors resturant anyway ? He should use paper plates and paper cups.

  9. Reese Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 12:47 pm #

    Flooding the jail with water is something I would like to know more about. How could that happen and how could it happen a few times ? Doesn’t anyone in the jail notice it’s starting to flood and do something to stop it from flooding ?

  10. Richard Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 1:43 pm #

    Dear Al in So Cal

    Why would you post a bunch of water info from Los Angeles Water and Power when we live in Burbank ?

    Los Angeles is a run down disaster if I wanted to live there I could chose to do that however I don’t chose to do that so why do I car what they do at all there ???

    If you are so interested in Los Angeles I am sure you could find a foreclosure within the city, maybe in a neat neighborhood with bars on every window, dirt in every front yard with cars parked in the dirt and who knows if you get lucky you may even find a street without spray paint on every wall. My point is I don’t care what Los Angeles does as they have proven they never know what they are doing there.

  11. Al in SoCal Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 3:42 pm #

    Wow – not even ADMITTING there is a water shortage. It’s like talking to the creationist crowd. Of course there’s a water shortage – I know you MIGHT be lured into agreeing w/ Dr. Gordon’s state flyover experience where he “saw LOTS of snow”.

    Here is Pasadena’s take on it: (updated 7/29/09)

    No – no – I guess instead of SEVERAL municipalities saying there is a water shortage is simply a conspiracy to get higher rates for water?

    Did you know that Burbank Water & Power actually has specialists that were trained (yes I know – trained) to figure this out? Sure – you can explain that away, and I guess just by *saying* there is no shortage makes it all better for you. Most of us though have to live in reality where there is a shortage and by simply not using approx 66 gallons per 10 X 10 area of lawn – we do just a bit to help.


    You’ve made it quite apparent which stories you track and which you don’t. If it is any way negative of Dr. Gordon it’s not news, if it is negative on the others – then it’s news. Right?

  12. Fronnie Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 5:26 pm #


    Are you listening or just talking? All these other cities are interesting but we live in Burbank, duh! Actually, I think Burbank Water and Power has plenty of information on its website explaining the water shortage. The link is in my story.

    Obviously, you’ve got an agenda Al. And Dr. Gordon is part of it. Say what you’ve got to say about Dr. Gordon and get on with it. Gee, like I’m going to go write a story because YOU tell me to do so. Get real!

    Also, folks have a right to believe or not believe the water shortage.

  13. Stretch Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 7:51 pm #


    I won’t even respond to your…whatever. I will let someone much smarter than myself.

    “It is impossible to make people understand their ignorance, for it requires knowledge to perceive it; and, therefore, he that can perceive it hath it not.”

    Jeremy Taylor

  14. Manny Ramirez Sunday, September 6, 2009 at 10:22 pm #

    Stretch, report the facts. Dont report the rumors. A great majority of your post are rumors and non factual. I wouldn’t be bragging too much about your intelligence.

  15. Ryan C Monday, September 7, 2009 at 2:10 pm #

    Manny you need to spend some time hanging out in Burbank, I know those away games must keep you busy but much of what Stretch brings up is exactly what people are talking about all over town and the funny part is you and city hall seem to think everything is a secret yet even the gardeners know about most of teh corruption in town. Yes Manny the corruption really is that bad.

  16. Ryan C Monday, September 7, 2009 at 2:12 pm #

    Oh FYI manny I was at Lowes three weeks ago when I first heard about a grand jury and council members waiting in panic for their subpoenas. Maybe word didn’t reach Dodger stadium as yet ?

  17. Manny Ramirez Monday, September 7, 2009 at 8:30 pm #

    I was born and raised in Burbank. I know way more than you think. Funny, how you are getting your info from word of mouth from of all places, Lowe’s. So if its been 3 weeks, where are the subpoenas? Again, maybe you dont have as many facts as you think. Thanks for playing.

  18. Mike Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 12:09 pm #

    Go to the above link to view the latest water conservation from the City Of Burbank.

  19. anti conservationist Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 5:38 pm #

    Where is Dave Golonski ?

    Water wasted all over the place in downtown and the conservation Guru is no place to be found. See wasting water is only an issue when it’s YOU using it but when it’s the sustainable city of Burbank Dave Golonski just doesn’t seem to care at all. I love this video and unlike what Manny says people have eyes and ears and yes cameras to record what they see but next will be Golonski and Al from so cal issuing denials that water is wasted all over Burbank by the city of Burbank.

  20. Ryan C Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 5:41 pm #

    Hey Manny

    Around town is exactly where you hear what is going on because the city os full of employees and they talk. Where are the subpoenas ? On the way buddy and city hall is in a panic over it from what is being said around town. Funny thing Manny is that the city said everything was fine at the Police Department, but around town rumors spread like wild fire that law suits were coming down soon and guess what Manny they did about a month later.

  21. Tomasa Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 5:49 pm #

    That video is great. It shows just what Burbank means when they say SUSTAINABILITY.

    This is not the only place the city runs water all over the street and or sidewalk.

    Why are there still fountains in Burbank ? Water evaporates from fountains and I bet they keep filling that one in front of City Hall.

  22. stretch Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 5:50 pm #

    Ryan C,

    Manny obviously has a personal interest in denying anything and everything. He can provide no facts regarding his claims. The more he makes excuses for Golonski and the rest of the crooks…the more I believe the rumors.

    Hey Manny deny this one, the police is retiring next month because of the scandal and the deputy chief is now filing a lawsuit. I suspect the chief isn’t leaving over the water shortage…LOL

  23. Ryan C Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 5:53 pm #


    I agree with you I too am reaching the point that I wait for someone to deny what everyone knows, in all honesty I don’t think that is working on most people anymore.

    I believe that Councilman Golonski has been there way to long and needs to retire sometime soon.

  24. Vampire Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 6:24 pm #

    That video of them conserving water rocks. How come Al ion So Cal never uploaded the videos of the water washing out peoples homes in Studio City ? How about the second water main break that caused the fire truck to fall into a big sink hole ? Los Angeles does so great conserving water LMAO!!!

  25. Vampire Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 6:27 pm #

    Here is more of the sink hole that ate a fire truck only this one is a video. Just how much water is running under streets and ready to cave in anyway, oh wait Los Angeles is busy saving water right ? Fire Truck Swallowed by Sinkhole

  26. Jim Carlile Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 11:52 pm #

    No doubt there is a water shortage, but the city is exploiting it in order to jack up rates excessively and make money on it all. The proof is that if they were really concerned they wouldn’t let the water run all over the place late at night downtown, as Mike Nolan has documented.

    The subpoenas are an old story. The council has been told to expect them at any time– they’re not sure when. But they are all personally waiting for them. So are others.

    Such a move is the next step when an outside agency hasn’t closed a case and it’s not just a compliance issue. In that event there is a compliance plan that they all have to sign off on.

    I’ve asked for evidence that all outside cases have been closed. None has been received as yet, so they go forward.

  27. Jeff Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 11:27 am #

    This new ‘film ordinance’ was not written to ‘clear things up’ it was written to make them so confusing no one understands what you can and can’t do and that includes the city council members themselves.

    You hit the nail on the head, this is clearly designed for the purpose of discrimination.

    The Councilmembers discussion only showed that they themselves had different ideas of what every part of this law means, their discussion could have been comical if it was not for the fact that what they were engaged in was designing a bad law, that no one can understand and that can/and/will be enforced one way for their friends and in another way for the people who are not their friends.

    It is said that ‘ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law’ but these people have raised the stakes as they deliberately design laws to be so confusing that no reasonable person can clearly understand it.

    In my view this council is sloppy, motivated by arrogance and vengence and dangerous.

  28. BF Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 1:49 pm #

    Ok Folks remember the so called conflict that Councilman Dave Golonski accused Councilman Gordon of ?

    Well something amazing happened at last nights meeting, for those who didn’t watch it the critical parts of it are on youtube for you to watch.

    It seems that there was yet another employee benifit package on last night’s agenda. Gee I wonder if there is some eye doctor plan on that thing ?

    So apparently the papers the council gets handed says nothing about any eye care coverage and of course it looks like none of the staff bothers to tell councilman Gordon anything about if there is or if there is not eye care coverage.

    Ok so here comes the ‘brain’ of contracts and of course she says no eye care coverage but then Councilman Gordon pops out some letter she wrote that says there are eye care offerings in the thing.

    Her dumb look and state of confusion in this youtube video is P-R-I-C-E-L-E-S-S. Don’t forget, we pay this girl buckets of money to show us these looks of total confusion, but hey, how is any councilmamber suppose to know if they have a conflict when the staff that writes the stuff doesn’t even know whats contained in what they wrote. How many of you sign contracts when you don’t know and can’t see what’s in the contract ? No problem for the city council when they spend your money it seems!

  29. Stretch Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 2:44 pm #


    That is hilarious! Too bad she can’t run to her ex-boyfriend Mike Flad.

    It’s sad that things are so messed up at City Hall that “crazy” is now the norm. Why are people so surprised about water issues, police scandals, fire chiefs, Kitty Pants, coach sandoval, conflicts of interest,and bartender Mayor emails?

    The people responsible are not being responsible. Time for a complete shake up to restore confidence. Attorney General please help us SOS, SOS!

  30. Jake Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 2:57 pm #

    You know some people talk about rumors and being into conspiracy theories but facts are facts. I look at that video and let’s be honest, in the real world that kind of inept incompetence would get you fired.

    Here’s what has got a lot of us mad. Good people are losing their jobs while government seems to reward inept employees with raises we struggle to pay for.

    These same inept people are working on the film law. What do they know about the film industry ?

    All you have to do is watch them and it’s the inept leading the stupid around by the nose. It’s impossible to be rational and have confidence in them at all. No conspiracy is required to doubt them if you bother to watch their job performance.

  31. Buzzie 9 Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 4:23 pm #

    There are conspiracy theorists, they all work at city hall. The conspire every day to defraud all of the tax payers.

    On this water shortage. I believe that it’s a money shortage and not a water shortage. Pay more and the money shortage goes away.

    Sorry but the water shortage people have ZERO credibility with me.

  32. stretch Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 4:40 pm #

    Today, 60 senators called for the resignation of SC Governor Mark Sanford. They overwhelmingly agreed that Sanford’s affair was in poor judgment and distracted him from his official duties. I think this is a perfect example of normal public outrage and loss of confidence in leadership.

    My question is…with all the water issues, police corruption, conflicts of interest, etc…why has nobody called for the resignation of Mike Flad? After all he is the captain of this sinking ship.

    Not to mention according to that city employee female who reported to us that he has had at least five such flings. Whoa!

  33. Flippification Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 4:48 pm #

    Here’s an interesting link right out of the OC Register. Brings out the fact that cities who claim severe water shortage are at the same time pressing ahead with plans for 600 room hotels complete with water parks.

    Hmmmm a water shortage for some appears to be a boom for some developers of water parks, now just why is that ?

  34. Flippification Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 4:56 pm #

    Al of so cal was thoughtfull and kind as he shared with us his proof that the water crisis is real and severe so I thought I would share what cities are saying south of us in Orange County.

    It seems that they are saying this crisis is temporary. Here is the crux of the issue in a quote from the MWD itself.

    ““The rising water rates are due to a number of reasons,” continues Garden Grove water services manager David Entsminger. ”Metropolitan Water District of Southern California (the H2O imp0rter for 18 million Southern Californians) is raising its water rates by 19.7 percent this coming September and (is) anticipated to raise their rates an additional 21.5 percent in January of 2011. The amount of this water rate increase is after several years of an inadequate rate structure. Water supply has depleted due to drought conditions as well as an environmental decision to protect the Long Fin Smelt…. The environmental decision has impacted the flow of water to Southern California by approximately 35 percent.”

    So inadequate rate hikes during good years for the economy and now in bad economic times you use a fish and a draught to catch up on the rates ? This is a money making sham.

    Read the whole Q & A and find out why al of so cal only quoted King Antonio of LA on the supposed water shortage and think about 3 acre water parks under construction and then ask yourself why you should cut back or pay more to build water parks.

  35. Flippification Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 4:58 pm #

    And another thought on the so called water shortage:

    Water parks in Garden Grove remind you of anything ?

    Councilman Golonski pushed for a water park in Burbank just a few short months ago. Yeah it’s the same Councilman Golonski who screams water shortage every time he gets the chance.

    So think about the story of chicken little, and ask yourself if the water shortage is real.

  36. Cool Chick Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 5:04 pm #

    Woa water parks are being built ? I do remember Golonski bringing up his water park when he ran for election and if I remember right he didn’t drop the idea to save water he did it because there wasn’t enough money to build it.

    These people really must think we are stupid. It gets me mad that they plan to build a new swimming pool. Why do that if we have such a shortage of water ?

    I wonder if Al is upset they plan to build a new swimming pool and fill it with water.

  37. Flippification Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 5:07 pm #

    Why call a water shortage and raise rates ? Here is part of the reason why.

  38. Jon Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 6:27 pm #


    The lady in the video maybe cute but she is not smart.

    Tripods, Good Lord what will these communists protect us from next ? Does anyone else wonder how the human race survived all these centuries without these people protecting us from everything ?

    The water shortage. Well on this one watching all the contruction and landscape going in to compliment it let’s just say a shortage is beyond reasonable to believe.

    They keep building and it’s water today I suspect it will be food tomorrow and I am waiting for the experts to come up with a tax on air, why should we breathe it for free ?

  39. Jon Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 6:28 pm #

    One more thing. They make a big deal out of recycle water but don’t they only get recycle water if we use water ? Why doesn’t that mean if we use less water they get less recycle water ?

  40. Ellen Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 12:32 pm #

    That water park in this story is disgusting. We are conserving water so other people can fill water parks and splash around. This gang in power has got to go.

  41. BF Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 2:23 pm #

    Some amazing stuff at City Council Meetings happen week after week. Here is a clip of the water man, expert bar none and his statements of how he will program your water use in the near future. He knows what you need and when you need it!

  42. SM TENA Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 2:34 pm #

    You know it’s frustrating to watch these videos because over and over again the people talking are saying they want to pass a law but don’t understand how things even work.

    I am frustrated to hear that this expert wants to tell people what to do but admits he can’t speak to sprinkler systems.

    Why haven’t they talked to some plant experts to learn about plants ? All plants don’t require the same amount of water and sprinklers are rather important in what he is proposing yet he doesn’t know much about those systems ?

    This is so nuts!

  43. Cool Chick Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 2:35 pm #

    It’s so true how can he say he doesn’t understand why people would make the choice to let everything dry when he has raised the prices for water.

    He does not seem to understand that people can’t afford the high prices so they turn off the water.

  44. Al in SoCal Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 6:36 pm #

    Fronnie – I would like you just to admit that you have an agenda – it’s not a crime – it’s just disclosure. You don’t have to write anything you don’t want and if you read my original post I said I guess it’s not newsworthy on this site – right? Seems like I hit a nerve.

    As for people believing the world is flat .. err there is no water shortage – you’re right people do have a right to think there is no shortage because of their fave councilmember’s flyover where he saw “lots of snow” – that’s how we should make decisions for a city of over 100K.

    Fronnie – I also liked how in a previous article’s comments where you were *trying* to point out that fed guidelines changed which is why they were breaking up the handicapped curbs and redoing them – you were inundated with disagreements. It was like “how on EARTH could you side w/ Golonski?” You encountered the one-sided mentality of the folks on this board. Nothing anyone BUT Gordon does is good for the city, nothing they do is right, nothing they do will ever be right.

    Well – let’s just tell it like it is. The election is over – the Berlins lost (and lost big) long ago, and Dr. Gordon will continue to NOT get his way and no matter how much incessant whining from people who live in Burbank but seemingly hate everything about it, will change that – this is how it will remain until the next election.

    >>Gee, like I’m going to go write a story because YOU tell me to do so. Get real!

  45. Member of the Sag Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 7:17 pm #

    I just saw this news on the Burbank Leader. Oh the pressure seems to be building in Burbank. I think we will see lots of illness and retirement in the days ahead.

    City attorney recovers from minor heart attack
    By Christopher Cadelago
    Published: Last Updated Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:11 PM PDT
    City Atty. Dennis Barlow suffered a minor heart attack after the Tuesday City Council meeting and will undergo necessary medical treatment, city officials confirmed today.

    “He’s in good spirits,” said Mayor Gary Bric, who visited Barlow in the hospital this week. “He said he felt good. Looked good.”

    Barlow is expected to remain in the hospital through Friday, but doctors have not provided a timeline for his return to City Hall, city spokesman Keith Sterling said.

  46. Tim Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 7:23 pm #


    You are stuck in such a time warp. When things get tough Al get’s talking about elections from years ago and always grabs the Berlins and gives them a hug.

    Dose of reality Al. The police department is falling apart. Officers are suing the city and many more officers have been suspended by outside authorities or have left due to a bad work environment.

    As all of this has been occuring where has the leadership that you praise been ? You are aware maybe that federal, state and county agencies are investigating Burbank right ?

    Is all of this happening because of elections from years ago and the Berlins losing that election or is it all happening due to inept leadership that has allowed it all to happen.

    Sure Al there were the jesters that joked and smiled during the fall of Rome, I think they all got stuck in a time warp from the past and refused to see the events of their day too.

  47. ERG Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 7:28 pm #

    Al really makes me laugh sometimes. It honestly sounds like Al never watches the Burbank City Council meeting or even reads the newspapers.

    So just where does Al get all this indepth information about Burbank ?

    You know Al it was Dave Golonski wgo assured us all that no child molestor would stay at the homeless shelter. Weeks later we found out that not one but many had stayed there and no one even checked.

    How did we find out child molestors were staying close to a park and a school Al ?

    One of them went to the Police and reported where he was staying.

    So what happened to the reports and the assurances that people staying there were being asked as Dave Golonski promised ? IT NEVER HAPPENED!

    Dave Golonski is like chicken little at this point.

  48. stretch Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 7:55 pm #

    It’s not even worth responding to this “AL” and “Manny”. Like Fronnie always says if you hate the blog so much dont visit.

    There is so much illegal crap going on right now in this city, things are going to end badly. Al clearly has personal interest in siding with the city officials. Since you are so right, please explain away the following.

    Is it coincidence, that the Fire Chief is out on stress/retirement, the police chief is retiring next month, the Deputy Police Chief is out on stress/lawsuit, two sergeants and two lieutenants are on admin leave, 7 officers are suing the city for corruption and racism, a drug dealer is suing the city, the FBI is investigating and the LA County Sheriffs are investigating, the only lesbian officer just was just forced to retire, the city council is getting subpoenas to a grand jury, the city manager is “laying pipe” to everyone (not to fix the water shortage), you can’t pull out a tripod without going to prison, There is no water, Officers are making $120 an hr to police a hamburger joint, and the worst of all, Kitty Pants is still MIA!

  49. ERG Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 8:44 pm #

    Kitty Pants is far from the worst, but hey it makes for great coverage in the news.

    I would love to watch Councilman Dave Golonski get grilled by a prosecutor in a grand jury. I bet any half way decent prosecutor rips his twisting of the truth to pieces.

  50. Pissed off Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 8:48 pm #


    Don’t try to use a camera with a tripod or you will get arrested by an over paid off duty cop that is rthe real reason why you pay so much for a hamburger.

    Reading about the Burbank Police rip off of Bob’s Big Boy got me to decide I will never, ever eat there again. One sure way to end the abuse is to stop funding it. No crowd and no sales means no more need for off duty rental cops to be harassing people for bring a camera.

  51. Pissed off Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 8:48 pm #

    Hey Stretch,

    Al who ?

  52. Fronnie Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 9:19 pm #

    Al of SoCal,

    I wrote news at a local television station for many years so I have a pretty good idea of what the term “newsworthy” means. However, your usage of it suggests you don’t.

    Yes, dear Al, I write what I want and that’s part of running a blog. As you have point out, sometimes what I write shows Councilman Gordon in a good light, sometimes what I write shows Councilman Golonski in a good light. I don’t have a problem with that. You apparently do. So it’s your problem.

    Also, you give yourself way too much credit. It’s clear to most folks your comments here are intended to disrupt for whatever reason.

    I’m the moderator of the comments. I allow comments that I agree with and those that I don’t. Lucky for you, Al.

  53. Fronnie Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 10:00 pm #

    Member of the Sag,

    Thanks for the heads-up about Burbank City Attorney Dennis Barlow apparently suffering a heart attack. He probably has one of the most stressful jobs in town, especially now.

    City Attorney Barlow has always treated me with professional respect and courtesy. Barlow has given me comments on a number of issues and has patiently put up with me taking his photo several times.

    I wish him a speedy recovery.

  54. Manny Ramirez Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 10:48 pm #

    Reeeaaalllyyyy??????? Stretch you are so full of crap that you are making yourself to look like even a bigger idiot than you already are.

    The funny thing is you will say that people have personal interest in siding with the city and/or with the officials. I am telling you I do not care for any of the Council Members or many others from the city.

    I do not think you have your facts complete straight in a variety of statements you made. I do not believe you have the Fire Chief story correct. I will bet you the chief does not retire in October, November or even this year (Let us bet you admit you are wrong and then you shut up for a couple of weeks? Don’t be a chicken). If the Deputy Chief has filed a lawsuit then where is it? How come we have not heard of it? please explain. Who are the 7 officers suing the city (i know the five i had seen at the press conference) who are the other 2? I have heard through sources that there are a FBI and LA County Sheriff’s investigation but so far that is the only thing that you seem to have right. You say the only female lesbian officer was forced out of the department but in other post on this site, you say she was suing the department . So which story is it Stretch? Or is this another one of your false statements? Another one is your “grand jury subpoenas to the city council.” Where are they Stretch? You and your buddies have been say this for over a week. If you say they being served why have not they been served? I do not have any information on the City Manager but you are making some strong allegations. Where is the proof of this? At least I have enough information to show you are an idiot with your misleading comments. I also have my doubts about a regular police officer making $120 an hour at a hamburger joint. If so, I will apply faster than your greased up mumbo.

    So Stretch keep up the great work you are doing. I think you would do a great job on the City Council because you are blowing more smoke up this blog site than some of the City Council members. Hmmmm why don’t you run?

  55. stretch Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 11:58 pm #

    Your right Manny…You caught me. I am really the ex -Mayor Stacey Jo Murphy. I felt so bad when I was accused of associating with murderers and using cocaine. I’d like to thank everyone that defended me and said “It’s all just rumors”

    Where were you when I needed sombody to disrupt the rumor mill. I feel bad for what I did, but I can tell you one thing…I am one of the few that hasn’t slept Flad.

  56. Manny Ramirez Friday, September 11, 2009 at 12:05 am #

    Well Stretch I guess I was right about your ZERO credibility.

  57. Fronnie Friday, September 11, 2009 at 12:41 am #

    Ah, Manny,

    I’m really starting to wonder if you truly live in Burbank. It is common knowledge that the Fire Chief went out on stress leave and has been considering some kind of retirement deal.

    Some pretty reliable sources of mine say the Police Chief will most likely retire this fall and that the ex-Deputy Police Chief will sue or is seriously considering a lawsuit against the Burbank Police Department.

    Also, I have heard about that grand jury and those subpoenas from other sources for some time.

    You don’t have to believe it. But others have a right to do so and write about it.

  58. Al in SoCal Friday, September 11, 2009 at 2:20 am #

    Fronnie – the only people you call out are those who disagree w/ a majority on the board aka city council haters. I would love to see you try to call out any one of the mindlessly agreeing posters on this board.

    When I said you tried to moderate the uber-hate regarding the curbs it was a pretty sad defense – simply “he explained the reason”. Then you went back to simply agreeing w/ the board with your usual “good point xxx” – except when someone disagrees like Manny or myself or ‘s’.

    True? I don’t mind if you have a bias – just as long as it’s an admitted and disclosed bias – like the other blog that these comments seem to be an advertisement for.

    I – for one definitely have one. Do I think Dr. Gordon has some good ideas – sure – but for the most part I disagree with most of his ideas. However – is that the same for those on the board – have they EVER had anything good to say about our city council? I think the answer is quite obvious.

    As for me living in the past – I note the recent election where you’re fave councilmember was about 250 votes from being shown the door – reasons anyone?

  59. Al in SoCal Friday, September 11, 2009 at 2:27 am #

    >>It is common knowledge that the Fire Chief went out on stress leave and has been considering some kind of retirement deal.


    I repeat your line “Also, folks have a right to believe or not believe” – or does that not apply to Manny?

  60. Fronnie Friday, September 11, 2009 at 10:35 am #


    Hmm. You are right about you, Manny, and “s” having things in common. Your comments (you, Manny, “s”) tend to be the most insulting and mean spirited and frequently attack my right to express my opinions, write, and run this blog. All three,(you, Manny, “s”) frequently bad mouth my blog and the folks who comment here. The question a lot of people are asking is why are YOU COMMENTING here?

    I’ve explained to you what I’m going to do and what I’m not going to do. Clearly from your latest comments you have a comprehension problem or just “refuse” to get it. Frankly, it’s becoming tiresome to keep telling you the same things over and over again.

    Bottom line. I don’t see any point in trying to get through to you , Al.

  61. stretch Friday, September 11, 2009 at 11:36 am #


    It is my opinion that that it is somewhat of a compliment that the aforementioned few regularly come on your blog and try to get other people to ignore the problems. It is a compliment because if they didn’t…I would not believe half of it myself. I also would not have done some checking and revealed far more problems with the city.

    I have never blogged before in my life, and the only reason I started was because somone told me about you providing a forum for the truth, when the Leader failed to do so.

    So I think, people are smart enough to know who is providing disinformation for the city, and who is upset about civic abuse. The more they become aggresive, the more the bad guys are getting worried.

    We are the lucky ones…we are not trying to stay out of jail. Thanks for the forum!

  62. Fronnie Friday, September 11, 2009 at 11:53 am #


    Thanks for the support. I too believe people who drop by to read the comments here quickly pick up on who is blowing smoke and who is not.

  63. Pissed off Friday, September 11, 2009 at 3:13 pm #

    That’s a long rant in #54 but the point you proved is that you either half read things or that you have a slow comprehension of what you read.

    I could cite a bunch but here is just one of those half reads and incomplete conclusions you offered.
    “I also have my doubts about a regular police officer making $120 an hour at a hamburger joint. If so, I will apply faster than your greased up mumbo.”

    A Lieutenant is not a regular police officer. So Manny you missed the most important point in the discussion, a Lieutenant is part of command staff and receives higher pay based on rank. No way is that pay at overtime the pay of a regular officer.

    Read, comprehend and do the Math.

  64. Elm Friday, September 11, 2009 at 3:23 pm #

    Mz Fronnie,

    I love the blog. I love the information you provide in the story and really enjoy listening to what others have to say.

    Some people like to criticize Stretch but I never hear/read anger in what Stretch says. Stretch gives the opinion and reveals what Stretch thinks or knows and I believe that Stretch is cordial and sincere in what he says. I really enjoy how quickly Stretch will answer a question someone has here. Does that mean Stretch is always right, no. But Stretch I believe is always honest about what he thinks.

    Al always makes snipes at other people. Al seems to be unable to write anything without sniping at someone. It really is not a problem what Al thinks it’s how he only says it like a weapon to smack someone else. Al reminds me of the person who walks down a sidewalk pushing his elbows into everyone he passes while he crosses his fingers hoping to start a fight.

    Manny doesn’t really say what Manny thinks. Manny is a master at taking just part of what someone else says and twisting it just enough to make it absurd. The problem is Manny forgets we can all read him and think is that what Stretch said, look back and find it’s not exactly what Stretch said. Manny does not answer a question from someone else, Manny comes back and acuses the person of buying into a conspiracy.

    I believe the acusing others who bring up a problem as conspiratorial is a lame trick to avoid the real question and shut down the discussion. It’s a desperate move by a desperate person who fears the spotlight on something.

  65. Fronnie Friday, September 11, 2009 at 4:33 pm #


    Thank you for your comments.

  66. Manny Ramirez Friday, September 11, 2009 at 5:53 pm #

    Ah Fronnie,

    Well keep pondering if I do actually live in Burbank. Aren’t there other reasons why the Fire Chief is out on stress? Don’t you think there was something to precipitate that? Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know something else was going on.

    Get some better “pretty reliable sources” because the chief is not going anywhere. According to your friend, Stretch, he is suppose to be gone next month.

    Anybody can sue anybody. Just because a person sues does not mean the lawsuit is valid or any good. Judge the final decision of the lawsuit.

    Yes, I have heard the so called “rumors” of the grand jury subpoenas going out to the Council Members. As you state, it has been for some time, so how long until they are served? Who is running scared?

    You are right I don’t have to believe it. I don’t believe a great majority of the rubbish on the website (especially presented by your friend Stretch and Jim Carlile). I will dispute the stuff that is being falsely put on here.

    If I am being “mean spirited and insulting”, so be it. You are doing a disservice to the integrity of this blog site by not letting me call out Stretch or the false information. Stretch doesn’t help your site’s credibility.


    my friend, unfortunately I am not trying to ignore any problems. I know there are a TON of problems at the police, fire, and City of Burbank. I have never denied that. I believe a lot of other people should be gone too. I am not at all happy with the Burbank City Council. So who is ignoring anything? What I can’t ignore is the lies, false statements, and misconceptions that you present to this blog and other blog sites. My classic example of the things you profess to know is that Lt. JJ Puglisi is the “head of internal affairs” at another blog site. JJ Puglisi is not even working internal affairs. He is responsible for the Traffic Department. This is a major part of your credibility. You really don’t much factual information at all. You say you go out and “check and revealing.” I think you better do a better job of checking and revealing, You sources are not very good.

    You say you have never blogged in your life. You should probably stay on the sidelines until you can learn to post factual information. You are not even close to providing truth on this blog site as you say you provide.

    People are smart enough to know who is providing “disinformation” and I am calling you out on it. I think that a some of the people you think are “bad guys” are actually good ones and vice versa.

    Pissed Off,

    I think you are a little too “pissed off” to read and comprehend what is actually being said.

    Please take the time to cite your “bunch of half reads.”

    I know the hierarchy of the police department. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that a lieutenant will make more than the regular every day officer.

    So please take a deep breath since you are “pissed off” , you will learn better to grasp what are the lies and misconceptions.


    I admit I am critical of Stretch but with good reason. Stretch “thinks and knows” but he doesn’t. I have called him out on it many times and he will not respond. I have been nothing but sincere in my posts. Stretch and I probably want similar things to happen with regards to the City, but he is misleading others on this site and other blog sites. We can also agree we don’t like how things are run in the city of Burbank. What he thinks and what he states are two different things.

    I do really say what I think. If you don’t, then hook up with Pissed Off. I am not and have not twisted anything but when people are relaying information that is not even closely being factual, I will call that person out. I have given my examples. Elm, you have questions then ask them. I will not have a problem answering them.

    I am no way shutting down any discussions and I welcome the discussions but there has to be some truths and not distortions in it. Again, go read most of Stretch’s and Jim Carlile’s post and blog site.

    Like I said in prior post, once a lot of these investigations and lawsuits pan out, you will see the real good guys and the real bad guys. I believe we all are in agreement that is what we all want, the TRUTH!

  67. Pissed Off Friday, September 11, 2009 at 6:18 pm #

    Ok Manny I will repeat for your edification. You say stretch is wrong because you doubt regular officers make 120 an hour but stretch said the dude is a LIEUTENANT and NOT a regular officer. You twisted what he said, took out LIEUTENANT and replaced it with regular officer.

    Ok so here is another one right out of your same post “You say the only female lesbian officer was forced out of the department but in other post on this site, you say she was suing the department . So which story is it Stretch? Or is this another one of your false”

    Manny it makes sense if you are mistreated and forced out you would then sue doesn’t it ? Why would that be a which is it. It’s all over town that they paid up and settled with her so what’s the problem. Eeveryone I know knows all about it so if you think rthe only things that happen here are in the newspaper forget it, the newspaper never even said sprinklers run all over San Fernando Blvd someone from here had to go make a video and show it.

  68. stretch Friday, September 11, 2009 at 8:33 pm #


    Normally I won’t respond to you because you seem very angry and confrontational. If you want facts, ask me a few questions and I will give you what I know and where I got from.

    I won’t respond to three paragraphs of denials and garbage.

    For instance, let me give this to you slowly so you understand. I reported that a Lieutenants can make up to $120.00 hr for ovetime. This info was given to me by a LT at the Burbank Police Department! I verified this (and you can too) if you pay attention and read sloooowwwly. The information for LT’s and other officers pay scale (including overtime rates) is on the city website. Wow imagine that??!?!

    According to the website the base overtime wage for a LT is $90.00 per hr. This does not include bonuses like shooting pay, education, tenure, etc… Therefore this equals up to $120.00.

    Try to act civilized and ask a question? See what happens…

  69. Manny Ramirez Saturday, September 12, 2009 at 1:42 pm #


    Come on, trust me I am a lot less angry than you. You are the one who is all up in arms about things. If you say I am confrontational because I am pointing out errors in a majority of your post then so be it.

    As I have previously stated, I know how the overtime situation works in Burbank. I know their process quite well. A lieutenant is going to be paid his rate, a sergeant his/her rate, and so on. I get it. Quite clear, again I know a ton of people who work at BPD. Probably a quite few more than you would think.

    Ok, lets hear the answer to these questions your Highness (is that civilized enough for you?).

    On a another blog site, you presently proclaim JJ Puglisi is head of Internal Affairs? Is he? Is he not head of the traffic bureau? Hasn’t he been in traffic for a while?

    In another previous post in another title thread, you stated that another female was suing the department. You stated that the picture of this particular female officer was in a recruiting photo. So who is this officer and how come there is no record of any lawsuit for another female officer?

    Who stated the chief will be gone by October? I heard just this week that the chief will not be leaving from people at the department.

    These are 3 examples that I am providing you in which you provided erroneous information. So please go ask your Lieutenant friend in the police department.

    Lets see if you have the balls to answer these 3 questions, unless you are going to do your usual sidestepping and avoiding the direct questions that are asked when you are called out.

    Have a nice weekend.

  70. Red Ant Saturday, September 12, 2009 at 5:09 pm #

    Manny Ramirez is amusing. I think he should stick to baseball.

  71. stretch Saturday, September 12, 2009 at 10:12 pm #

    Manny = Fanny

  72. Manny Ramirez Sunday, September 13, 2009 at 12:36 am #

    Wow, Mr. Credibility again shows his true colors.

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